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Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by ipaddr on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:11PM (#26985259)
Be careful thinking just going vegan is better for the planet.

"The vegan diet is widely regarded to be better for the planet than those that include animal products, but not all plant-based foodstuffs have a small environmental footprint."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-di...

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by maccard on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:28PM (#26985489)
From your link, asparagus "the largest environmental footprint of any of the 56 vegetables they looked at, including its land use and water use", with 5.3kg of CO2 per kg of Asparagus. According to [0], "The average footprint of beef, excluding methane, is 36 kilograms of CO2eq per kilogram" - so even the worst vegetable imported from the farthest part of the world is 10x better per kg than beef.

Also, I think that article you've shared is pretty clear that going vegan is better, it's just not 0 cost to the planet.

[0] https://ourworldindata.org/carbon-footprint-food-methane [1] https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by morsch on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:19PM (#26986194)
They get 5.3 kg CO2eq for asparagus because they are looking at asparagus air shipped from Peru. Of course that's terrible. Don't buy fruits and vegetables shipped via air.

If you buy locally grown asparagus -- where I live, that means around four weeks every year -- it's fine.

Stuff that gets put on a boat is in-between; no idea if that's viable for asparagus, it never occured to me to buy it out of season.

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by maccard on Sunday May 02, 2021 @02:46PM (#27017742)
The links I shared have a chart breaking down the co2 cost by land usage, transport, feeding and even the worst vegetables transported the farthest have an order of magnitude less of an impact than local beef.
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by mizzack on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:02PM (#26985979)
...conveniently ignoring that beef is 10x as calorically dense as asparagus.
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by morsch on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:09PM (#26986070)
Who the hell eats asparagus for its caloric density? You get plenty of calories from the hollandaise sauce and the potatoes. Given our sedentary lifestyle, low caloric density seems like an advantage, if anything.
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by mizzack on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:45PM (#26986469)
We were comparing carbon input to food output, gram for gram. Caloric/nutrient density is completely relevant.

You've thrown that basis out the window by adding additional foods and reframing the argument.

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by morsch on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:59PM (#26986622)
And yet you have merely restated that caloric density is relevant, not explained why it would be. (Nutrient density wasn't your original point.) Asparagus is not grown or eaten for it's calories.
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by maccard on Thursday April 29, 2021 @06:24PM (#26987551)
Sweet potato is ~30% the calorie density of beef, and causes 0.01kg co2 per kg according to [0]. I didn't ignore the calorie density,I used the worst case comparison from the article the parent shared, and compared it against the worst case of meat.

[0] https://cigrjournal.org/index.php/Ejounral/article/view/3461