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Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by willcipriano on Thursday April 29, 2021 @02:48PM (#26984910)
Wanted to make pizza with my two year old daughter a couple of weeks ago. Picked up some mozzarella at the store and when I went to use it noticed the well hidden plant logo and "plant based" text that was almost the same color as the packaging. Figured I'd give it a shot. It was inedible, completely ruined the pizza. My daughter took a bite and said "no, dad" I agreed and we threw it away and got a happy meal.

I figure once everyone gets fooled once like I have it will stop selling.

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by Djvacto on Thursday April 29, 2021 @07:14PM (#26988017)
Finding vegan cheeses that work well on pizza is a monumentally difficult task. Miyoko is one of few I've liked for pizza use. I generally don't eat much store bought vegan cheese as I don't love the Kraft singles-type ones my vegan wife has nostalgia for, and buying the nice vegan ones is usually pretty expensive.

Making homemade cashew cheese has pretty great results for vegan pizza. It's not the same as dairy, obviously, but it's a good main topping for when we share a pizza.

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by mumblemumble on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:24PM (#26985437)
I'm curious, which brand was it? Can you find a picture of the packaging? I'm morbidly curious to see what this alleged train wreck looks like. I've honestly never noticed a brand that I thought was hard to identify. They usually prominently feature language like "alternative" or "-style shreds" or whatever.

I'm not even sure why one of these companies would try to make the nature of the product well-hidden. Their goal isn't to trick people who eat dairy, it's to sell a product to people who are looking to avoid dairy. Why would a company actively hide from their target market?

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by willcipriano on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:33PM (#26985553)
Looks like they updated the package: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Plant-Based-Mozzarell...

The one I had that plant based logo was a quarter of the size and it did not have leaves like that on the front. Also that white plant based text was a few shades lighter than the background (that was previously sky blue) making it hard to read. Admittedly I should've seen the "style" part and looked further, also I should've questioned why it was the one of the only shredded cheese left in the fridge. It isn't like I was defrauded but that certainly wasn't what I intended to buy, good on them for fixing it.

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by mumblemumble on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:43PM (#26985736)
Ha. Even the current packaging isn't that hot.

Leave it to Wal-Mart to screw that up. I bet they were so focused on sticking to the "Great Value" graphic design manual that they ended up deciding that clearly conveying all the critical information on the label would have ruined their branding consistency.

For what it's worth, I can tell just by the ingredients label that that stuff is gross. Potato starch, coconut oil, and some unspecified "natural flavor" that's somehow more than 2% of the ingredient bill? No thanks.

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by sizzle on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:22AM (#26990355)
What are “natural” flavors derived from?
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by mumblemumble on Friday April 30, 2021 @08:59AM (#26992808)
Given that the product is vegan, either plants or fungi. Beyond that, I have no idea how you'd know. In the US, the Food and Drug Administration defines it thusly:

The term natural flavor or natural flavoring means the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional.

(https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfr...)

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by cheese_goddess on Thursday April 29, 2021 @06:25PM (#26987558)
I don't know about OP, but I've been fooled into buying one of these margarine products instead of butter:

https://www.vitam.gr/proionta

And I was very annoyed. Mostly at myself.

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by chmod600 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:17PM (#26986171)
"Why would a company actively hide from their target market?"

Much cheaper to make. Maybe their target market is "people who buy it by accident and throw it away".

Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by da_big_ghey on Thursday April 29, 2021 @02:52PM (#26984974)
i am not liking the way many of this is packaged. any other product and hackernews would be angry for the "deceptive packaging", but because the hackernews like this product, they are give it a freepass.
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by CoastalCoder on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:07PM (#26985185)
Are you sure there's really such a trend in HN discussions? I've never noticed it.
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by jethro_tell on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:10PM (#26985245)
have yet to read a comment that likes it :shrug:
Re:Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstr... by mumblemumble on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:32PM (#26985546)
I'll chime in as liking it. Or at least, I like the ones that are made from fermented nuts. So, brands like Miyoko's and Treeline. I even make my own fake cheese in that genre at home sometimes.

Others, like Daiya, I won't object to if someone else wants to put it on whatever we're cooking. I'm pretty lactose intolerant, so I can't speak to how it compares to dairy cheese; my personal take from the few times where I'll pop a Lactaid in order to participate in a pizza party is that, while Daiya fake mozzarella is meh, the stuff it's intended to mimic is even worse. I occasionally wonder if there is something to that casomorphin theory that the article mentions, and people who regularly consume dairy largely like it for approximately the same reason smokers like the taste of tobacco smoke.

And then there are some brands, generally of more of a 1990s vintage, that are legitimately gross. Unfortunately, those seem to be the ones that are most commonly stocked in grocery stores, for Heaven knows what reason.