Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by brudgers on Saturday June 25, 2011 @06:57PM
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>"Silicon Valley companies attract employees by giving them options which vest over time."
Just another of example of how this story is being spun in the tech media. Skype is not a Silicon Valley company in any meaningful sense. Most of their development team is in Estonia and their headquarters is in Luxemburg.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by zaidf on Saturday June 25, 2011 @07:56PM
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Neither is San Francisco or Mountain View technically Silicon Valley. I always thought that SV is used more as a metaphor for the tech startup scene than the specific location.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by true_religion on Saturday June 25, 2011 @10:09PM
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Mountain View is directly adjacent to Silicon Valley. Like Silicon Valley it is a suburb of San Francisco.
I'm not sure how you can say developing in a county adjacent to silicon valley is the same thing as developing in a country more than 3000 miles away.
If Silicon Valley is a metaphor then the term is meaningless. New York is Silicon Valley. So is Chicago. So is Vancover, and London.
If it isn't---because of the unique legal structure, cultural consciousness, and developer concentration in and around Silicon Valley---then its unfair to say that a Luxumburg company operating under EU rules is a silicon valley company.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by yid on Sunday June 26, 2011 @05:36AM
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That makes no sense. Mountain View is a real place. Silicon Valley is a nickname for the region, so saying "MV is directly adjacent to SV" makes no sense to me.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by rdl on Saturday June 25, 2011 @09:55PM
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Mountain View is pretty solidly in Silicon Valley (as is Palo Alto and Stanford); a lot of people draw the line at the Santa Clara/San Mateo county line (so Menlo Park isn't in), although one might consider San Mateo, Foster City, Redwood City, and Menlo Park in, too.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by Aloisius on Sunday June 26, 2011 @01:36AM
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Why would you think it was a metaphor? It is a physical place and when you see in it mentioned in the press, they quite literally mean this particular location. Also, having grown up in Silicon Valley, I can tell you that Mountain View is in SV.
When I was a kid, San Jose was the "gateway to Silicon Valley" which basically was anywhere in Santa Clara county (at that time, mostly the 415 area code).
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by brudgers on Saturday June 25, 2011 @10:10PM
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Skype isn't part of the tech startup scene either. They have not been since 2005 when ebay acquired them for two billion dollars - and now they have been resold twice. The erroneous Silicon Valley references just facilitates the misinterpretation of Skype as a startup to support the linkbait article title.
Frankly it would seem that analysis of the stock vesting expectations of hackers in Tallinn is more relevant to the story and the structure of the Silverlake partner agreement than the expectations of Silicon Valley programmers when it comes to attracting and retaining technical talent at Skype and among the people mentioned in the techpress, it has been difficult to find any in key technical roles.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by daimyoyo on Sunday June 26, 2011 @12:13AM
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This brings to mind an interesting question. What is the cost to have a lawyer go over and negotiate an employment contract? Are there any firms offering that service?
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by slowcpu on Saturday June 25, 2011 @10:22PM
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"If, in
connection with the termination of a Participant’s Employment, the Ordinary Shares issued to
such Participant pursuant to the exercise of the Option or issuable to such Participant
pursuant to any portion of the Option that is then vested are to be repurchased, the Participant
shall be required to exercise his or her vested Option and any Ordinary Shares issued in
connection with such exercise shall be subject to the repurchase and other provisions in the
Management Partnership agreement."
This is actually pretty clear even to me ( and I merely have an interest in law as opposed to having legal training ) and should be manifestly obvious to a real lawyer. He should have had a lawyer read his employment contract and then should have discussed it again before he decided to leave Skype.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by gojomo on Sunday June 26, 2011 @01:45AM
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What if Lee wasn't shown and hadn't independently agreed to the 'Management Partnership Agreement'? [1] What if that Agreement – whose text as far as I know hasn't yet been publicly released – isn't itself clear and enforceable on the repurchase rights?
Even the part you quote is unclear; the clause which makes the Ordinary Shares 'subject to repurchase' is conditioned on the leading "If... the Ordinary Shares... are to be repurchased" clause. That may imply some other trigger or prior notification is necessary first, before the Management Partnership Agreement repurchase-at-cost (which would be contrary to the usual meaning of 'vesting') comes into play.
At this point any definitive interpretation – without the text of all agreements between Lee and Skype, and professional familiarity with the terms and precedents involved – is premature judgement.
[1] edit addition:
I see in a BusinessWeek article that Lee did sign but did not carefully review the 'Management Partnership Agreement'. That's a screwup, but the interplay between the exact language of all the agreements could still give him daylight.
Re:Downgrading Skype and Silver Lake to ‘Evil’
by alexwestholm on Saturday June 25, 2011 @07:06PM
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"Consequently, this means that you will receive no value in respect of any of the shares underlying your Options."
I don't really see how that's ambiguous... I mean, I think Skype and their investors have behaved like total assholes, but the guy did sign a contract which explicitly told him what would happen.
Just another of example of how this story is being spun in the tech media. Skype is not a Silicon Valley company in any meaningful sense. Most of their development team is in Estonia and their headquarters is in Luxemburg.
[http://jobs.skype.com/lifeatskype.html]
I'm not sure how you can say developing in a county adjacent to silicon valley is the same thing as developing in a country more than 3000 miles away.
If Silicon Valley is a metaphor then the term is meaningless. New York is Silicon Valley. So is Chicago. So is Vancover, and London.
If it isn't---because of the unique legal structure, cultural consciousness, and developer concentration in and around Silicon Valley---then its unfair to say that a Luxumburg company operating under EU rules is a silicon valley company.
Also San Jose has called itself in the past "the capitol of Silicon Valley".
Perhaps they felt Silicon Valley was a SF bay area mindset rather than a specific geographic location.
When I was a kid, San Jose was the "gateway to Silicon Valley" which basically was anywhere in Santa Clara county (at that time, mostly the 415 area code).
Frankly it would seem that analysis of the stock vesting expectations of hackers in Tallinn is more relevant to the story and the structure of the Silverlake partner agreement than the expectations of Silicon Valley programmers when it comes to attracting and retaining technical talent at Skype and among the people mentioned in the techpress, it has been difficult to find any in key technical roles.
Stock vesting expectations of hackers in Tallinn is not any different than in any other part of the world.
What's odd though is that:
1. The repost on Wired makes no mention that it's not a new article by the author. I find it typical to see "This was previously seen in Blabla".
2. The title went from "Upgrading" to "Downgrading", which made me think it was in response to the first post.
This is actually pretty clear even to me ( and I merely have an interest in law as opposed to having legal training ) and should be manifestly obvious to a real lawyer. He should have had a lawyer read his employment contract and then should have discussed it again before he decided to leave Skype.
Even the part you quote is unclear; the clause which makes the Ordinary Shares 'subject to repurchase' is conditioned on the leading "If... the Ordinary Shares... are to be repurchased" clause. That may imply some other trigger or prior notification is necessary first, before the Management Partnership Agreement repurchase-at-cost (which would be contrary to the usual meaning of 'vesting') comes into play.
At this point any definitive interpretation – without the text of all agreements between Lee and Skype, and professional familiarity with the terms and precedents involved – is premature judgement.
[1] edit addition: I see in a BusinessWeek article that Lee did sign but did not carefully review the 'Management Partnership Agreement'. That's a screwup, but the interplay between the exact language of all the agreements could still give him daylight.
I don't really see how that's ambiguous... I mean, I think Skype and their investors have behaved like total assholes, but the guy did sign a contract which explicitly told him what would happen.