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Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by FpUser on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:52PM (#26964949)
>"It's in the interest of their customers for them to have this leverage"

Most likely it is in the interest of majority of consumers conditioned to this type of control. I realize that it is a benefit for older computer illiterate people. It completely sucks for people like myself.

>"10 different game distributors all with their own shitty incentives"

That's one classy way of describing business approach. Yes they're shitty in a way that they're there to help you part with your money and everything else is but a fluff around it. You just forgot to add Apple itself to that group.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by fossuser on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @11:06PM (#26965060)
> "I realize that it is a benefit for older computer illiterate people."

It's a benefit for computer literate people too.

- IAP allows easy tracking of subscriptions and cancellation. You don't have to call and argue with a retentions rep for an hour to cancel a service.

- Apple restrictions on tracking limit abuse from ad driven business models.

- Apple can require features like Apple ID to be implemented alongside FB connect or whatever. Apple ID has privacy friendly features for users like obscuring your email via a relay. This would never be implemented by app devs because hiding your email is counter to their incentives. If they could deploy outside of the store to avoid these constraints they would.

Apple's interests are aligned with their users. The reason they can get away with charging 30% is because Apple's users don't care about all the shitty anti-user things Apple blocks app devs from doing.

The reason I care about the 30% is because it worries me that they will be forced to allow side-loading or multiple stores and lose their leverage over app devs. If they lose that leverage we as Apple users will lose these benefits, and for what?

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by Mindwipe on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:39AM (#26967525)
> If they lose that leverage we as Apple users will lose these benefits, and for what?

Because you literally don't get people in autocratic regimes killed because the single choke point of software that might enable them to escape detection is removed. Because you remove Apple's rampant discrimination against some kinds of speech and the people that effects. Because Apple attacks businesses with any involvement in sex whatsoever.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by cdogl on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @10:58AM (#26970109)
I agree with your points about sex workers and speech about sex in general, but your comments about people in autocratic regimes ring a little hyperbolic. Chinese [1] users were able to use Signal until the Chinese state seemed to block it at the network layer. WhatsApp is blocked too. That's unfortunate, but what's Apple got to do with it? And what exactly could they do to prevent it that the state wouldn't get in the way of?

[1] I'm assuming that "autocratic" here refers to China - though despite the lack of political freedom and the awful situation with regard to ethnic minorities, I don't think that's a very helpful or expressive label.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by fossuser on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @10:59AM (#26970131)
> “ Because you literally don't get people in autocratic regimes killed because the single choke point of software that might enable them to escape detection is removed.”

If anything, Apple’s control here enables better protection for users. You think authoritarian regimes don’t own phones? You think Android is safer in China?

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by FpUser on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @11:19PM (#26965155)
>"It's a benefit for computer literate people too."

Sure, maybe. I do not care as I personally do not feel any benefit. I am most likely in minority but that does not mean I have to tailor my opinions.

Not even really criticizing Apple / Google. I want my phone to be able to function as normal Windows / Linux PC except that its phone capability would be able to function even if the rest of the OS is crashed. Such product simply does not exist outside of half baked attempts and I am not willing to waste my time/money on those.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by emodendroket on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:57PM (#26964991)
For people like yourself, there is Android and there is jailbreaking. But I suspect most people do not actually desire complete control over their phones more than they desire a curated experience.
Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by FpUser on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @11:05PM (#26965056)
Modern phone is a powerful computer but both Google and Apple along with the phone manufacturers do not really want me to use it as one. And I am not prepared do dance around their platforms doing some hacks.

The end result is that my current smartphone is mostly just a phone with couple of off-line apps like GPS and apps to install firmware to various gizmos like a drone. I do not even have data plan.

Re:Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting comp... by emodendroket on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @11:40PM (#26965285)
Well, I don't really like to fiddle with it that much either... but that's part of why I appreciate the App Store. I don't have to vet the software myself and if I buy a new phone everything just gets installed after I log in. It might be nice if they provided a way to install third-party apps without resorting to Test Flight or a dev certificate or jailbreaking, but I don't think I would actually use such a capability. I never did in many years of using an Android phone.