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Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by troydavis on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:46PM (#26936521)
Before commenting, please read the entire article, not just the headline or first paragraph. The interesting part is the details of the decision and next steps. Whatever one’s views on how to address homelessness, this decision is interesting.

The article links to the full decision as well.

Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by temp8964 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:51PM (#26937042)
Read through and it seems to be a crazy plan for me. The judge appears to be extremely ideology driven and a believer of the critical race theory to his core.

It is also laughable to think a judge has a grand plan to solve a societal issue. So a judge appointed himself to be the supreme planner of the city? The idea that a judge thinks himself can solve the homeless problem with a big plan is by itself pathetic.

Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by dragonwriter on Monday April 26, 2021 @10:46AM (#26943041)
> Read through and it seems to be a crazy plan for me.

There’s no as actual plan, just “you will put the money you promised to spend on this in escrow so as to not put the plaintiff’s in a worse situation than you have already announced the intent to, and then you will make certain explanations and achieve certain goals by set times”. A plan would specify how those results will be met.

> It is also laughable to think a judge has a grand plan to solve a societal issue.

This is not a plan nor is it aiming to solve a societal issue.

> So a judge appointed himself to be the supreme planner of the city?

No, the appointment was by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of the Senate, and the position is judge of the adherence of parties brought before his court with federal law, with the broad power to order behavior changes where there are breaches in that adherence with harms to other parties.

> The idea that a judge thinks himself can solve the homeless problem with a big plan is by itself pathetic.

The particular identified Constitutional breaches involved in the city of LA creating Skid Row and then actively choosing a containment polcy to trap people there and prolong the harms deliverately inflicted is not equivalent to the broader “homeless problem”, and the order here isn’t a solution to either the former or the latter but a direction to cease and mitigate the active and ongoing harm LA is doing to the subjects of the former. A solution (or at least, compensatory remedy) for the former, narrower, problem would likely be a component of the final judgement if (as seems likely) LA loses the case, this is merely a preliminary injunction to avoid irreparable harm during the pendency of thr trial, not a remedy for past harm or permanent solution.

Yes, it would be crazy if the judge was doing what you describe, but the judge is doing something much narrower.

Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by kgin on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:55PM (#26937505)
Putting aside what the judge may or may not think of himself, the ruling is that actions taken by the Los Angeles government led to this specific situation and because of that, the city is responsible for remedying that situation, at least temporarily, in the near term.

The city does not need to be 100% responsible for every contributing factor to have a responsibility here just as a drunk driver is not off the hook because it was also raining when he crashed into someone.

Nowhere in the ruling does it claim to solve the broader issue of homelessness or dictate a long-term plan for the city. But it does say that the city can't simply let the situation fester while they noodle for decades on initiatives and broader plans.

Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by true_religion on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:58PM (#26937525)
The judge literally said that it’s up to the government to both solve it and deliver a report as to why it happened.

This is basically your boss “solving” issues by assigning the task to you.

The bosses lack of expertise is irrelevant so long as you are actually capable of doing what is asked.

Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by temp8964 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @07:24PM (#26937693)
"so long as you are actually capable of doing what is asked"?
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by true_religion on Monday April 26, 2021 @11:36AM (#26943676)
In this case, so long as the many hundreds of people in city government can solve the homelessness problem in 180 then it doesn’t matter that the judge couldn’t produce a solution on his own. He did order them to do it.
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by lupire on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:41PM (#26937416)
Are you claiming the government of Los Angeles has not discriminated on the basis of race?
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by SauciestGNU on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:57PM (#26937519)
I have found with a high degree of correlation that people who refer to critical race theory in contexts like the above do so as a shibboleth, and they almost always deny even the existence of structural racism.
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by temp8964 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @07:23PM (#26937681)
Right, I do agree structural racism / systemic racism has no meaning, as the great Thomas Sowell pointed out.
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by temp8964 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:54PM (#26937493)
Are you claiming all the racial disparities in outcomes are caused by the government discrimination?
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by dragonwriter on Monday April 26, 2021 @01:26AM (#26939471)
All the disparities don’t need to be caused by racial discrimination for it to be unlawful discrimination on race.
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by cjbenedikt on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:57PM (#26936610)
Finally! Impressive ruling.
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by damau on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:41PM (#26936955)
Truly beautiful, glad I read it. The judge really stuck their neck out. Hope it all comes to fruition and a lot of things are learnt from it.
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by insert_coin on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:47PM (#26937455)
The main thing we'll learn? homelessness is not a money problem and 1 billion can't solve it.
Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by falcolas on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:57PM (#26937520)
Well, the things purchased with the $1B just might.

Money can't solve anything on its own, but you can't solve a problem without it either.

Re:“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landma... by jka on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:40PM (#26936940)
Hopefully this isn't taken as bad humour: I misread one word in the "way forward" section, seeing the word "benches" where it doesn't exist.

That reveals something about my subconscious; in my mind, there are few items of outdoor furniture as simple, rewarding, and pleasant to spend time on (alone or with loved ones) as a flat, comfortable bench.

Remarkable times in LA. Thank you for sharing this.