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Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by masklinn on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:02PM (#26934922)
> Even in circumstances where the distances are not too great, and the political and bureaucratic hurdles are.

NIMBY-ism as well? Because I can't fathom how a 400 miles high-speed rail route can cost $100bn unless you're spending years re-drafting your route because every asshole on the way has to be heard.

25 years is not completely nonsensical though, if you want to do this right it does take time.

For a fairly recent example, the french LGV Est is 252 miles (406km), it cost 4bn (including 800 millions worth of rolling stock), and took 16 years before the construction and financing protocol of the first phase was signed and the opening of the second phase. First phase opened a year late, and second phase 3 months late because of the Eckwersheim testing accident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckwersheim_derailment).

Obviously building in California would require additional studies and expenses for earthquake safety and the like, but 12x… seems a bit much.

The cost only makes sense if it's basically all tunnels and briges, like Chūō Shinkansen: that's estimated to cost north of $90 billion for 177 miles, but it's going straight through mountains, 90% of the way is through tunnels.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by drawkbox on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:33PM (#26935825)
The longer we wait to do rail right the more expensive it gets because of NIMBY-ism and property ownership. We need to do it now.

Trains are slower in some cases, but the views you simply cannot get from a plane or car.

You can work on a train.

You can get a private cab.

You can get up and move around.

You can go to the viewing car and see the beauty of America.

You can't do any of that in a plane or car. It is traveling in a much better way, even if longer.

Take the Southwest Chief from Flagstaff to Colorado routes and you'd be amazed at how pretty New Mexico is, the deserts of Arizona and the mountains in Colorado. Take any of the coastal lines. You will simply be blown away.

The great thing about trains or infrastructure like fiber across America maybe, people will see govt/business in action. It will build platforms of market value that people can see, people in small towns, people all around.

People need visuals just like clients need visuals to see progress, even though lots of the work is not visible maybe in code or other areas.

The time to train is now. In a way it is the last chance to really get it going before everything is full.

We have been robbed of amazing train rides and views. Take any of these routes/lines and tell me you don't enjoy the views. [1]

Before you vote on anything related to trains, go take one on our underfunded Amtrak routes. It will change your mind if you are not for it. Imagine if we did this right.

Trains use much less fuel, help make pricing for cars/planes competitive and more. Having a third major transportation option besides a bus is needed as we get more packed in.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amtrak_routes

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by nradov on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:00PM (#26936086)
The view from a train might be marginally nicer, but when I travel it's usually because I want to be somewhere else. Not because I want to sit for hours and watch the scenery go by.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by cromwellian on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:35PM (#26937371)
But do you want to spend 1hr getting to the airport, then waiting 2+ Hours to board the plane, wait for air traffic control, taxi, etc and then repeat on the other side? It takes five to six hours to go from SF to LA about the same as it takes to drive. A train would be far better.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by mschuster91 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @07:13PM (#26937616)
Not to mention getting groped and treated like a terrorist by TSA staff. Or paying through your nose for baggage, with the added privilege of carriers regularly losing your stuff.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by masklinn on Monday April 26, 2021 @05:36AM (#26940790)
Expecting nothing good to come from NA, I fully expect the US would follow Canada in making domestic train as inconvenient as planes, including weighting luggage & shitty boarding.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by culopatin on Monday April 26, 2021 @07:03PM (#26949432)
I rather do that and be at the place I chose as my destination in 3hs than to be bound to a train for 18hs no matter how pretty the views are.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by cromwellian on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @12:45AM (#26952098)
The fact that the train takes 18hrs is a political decision. In Japan, the same train over the same distance, often with even more torturous landscape and crowed infrastructure, takes 3hrs.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by culopatin on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @12:24PM (#26958075)
It is a complex mess. Ground Public transportation in the US is overall too slow. Even local buses are hours slower than anything else.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by plantain on Sunday April 25, 2021 @07:11PM (#26937595)
It doesn't have to be like that to fly. Political decisions have made it like that.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by throwawayboise on Sunday April 25, 2021 @07:25PM (#26937700)
Yes there was a time where you could go to the airport, buy a ticket, and just walk on to the plane. You didn't need to spend hours going through ceremonial activity. And on the plane, you had confortable seats, you could get up and walk around, some airplanes even had a lounge in the back where you could get a drink and socialize. 9/11, and the fact that passengers will seemingly sacrifice all comfort to save a dollar on the fare ended all that.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by awshepard on Sunday April 25, 2021 @10:48PM (#26938755)
One question I have on this - if rail travel became more ubiquitous, would it become a more enticing target for malevolent actors and/or a higher priority for security screenings, etc? We marvel at how easy it is to walk on a train today, but would that change / how might it change if rail carried a more significant portion of travelers?
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by drawkbox on Monday April 26, 2021 @02:31AM (#26939851)
Amtrak already does some screening and they increased their security like all others did from rental cars to busses to trains to planes. However the nature of flying has a much higher reach in terms of potential damage which was realized on 9/11 really.

Trains are less of a threat. Attackers can only really cause damage on a train to a section and maybe a derailment.

Plane terrorism is broader. With a plane everyone is at risk and the plane could be used to attack other things.

Train terrorism is limited. A train can't be taken off course. A train can't be all blown up. Even a massive derailment only affects a section. An attack would be a tragedy but it has rails so to speak on the reach of the damage. Maybe if they blew it up over a bridge or by a building in a city it could cause more damage or some other trigger like causing another disaster. You to have the threat of people setting explosives on the track. There was one of those in 1995 in Arizona where 1 died and 78 were injured, supposedly the attackers were avenging the Waco Siege. [1] Looks like that is the only terrorism event on trains in the US. [2] Subways and metros are probably more targeted in the city.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Palo_Verde,_Arizona_derai...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in...

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by cromwellian on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @12:54AM (#26952145)
I used to fly twice a month, SF<->DC, before 9/11, the seats in economy were not comfortable, and there were no lounges on domestic flights. Maybe in first class, but domestic first class usually is little more than slightly better seats.

This is no way in comparison to train travel. There's no "dining car" on the train. There's no tables for business meetings. There's no 2 to 4 bathrooms per car. Sleeper rooms are much cheaper and accessible than on planes, but sure, you can pay a multiple of $10k for a room on beyond-first-class international flights.

But even if I granted you that in the old days, you could show up 30 minutes before the flight, walk pretty much straight to the gate, you're still ignoring much more time spent getting to the airport, and time spent waiting for takeoff and baggage loading/unloading.

Major airports are generally located outside cities and near water if possible, train stations are usually located in the heart of the metro area. Sure, there are exceptions like Las Vegas, but in general, most people have to spent 45mins-1hr just getting to the airport in the US.

No one's saying you should use train travel for DC to SF. But come on, NYC to DC, or SF to LA is a no-fucking brainer. When you drive from SF to LA, most of Route-5 is straight land on wild open, flat prairie, and the main difficulty is when you hit the mountain range past Bakersfield, which every advanced country, be it the French, Swiss, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, already deal with, on far more harsh terrain.

There's zero excuse for the opposition to high speed rail for regional intercity, except for a stubborn, weirdly political opposition to trains, which George Will kind of outlined (accidentally) in a piece attacking trains as "socialist" but somehow air travel as "non-socialist" despite the fact that the Feds and States have funded aviation infrastructure to the tune of hundreds of billions over the decades.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by thatfrenchguy on Sunday April 25, 2021 @10:19PM (#26938605)
Yeah fares were 4x as much. You can see go on business class today.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by drewbug01 on Monday April 26, 2021 @08:59AM (#26942044)
Trains don’t have to be that way either. Also political decisions that have made it so.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by brudgers on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:46PM (#26935968)
A bus route can do all that and more. A car is even more flexible because you can stop, get out, and become part of the landscape.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by oumua_don17 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @07:19PM (#26937655)
Except for the driver. I am petrified of driving in a group at the serious risk of distracting the driver. And driverless car is very far off from reality. Till then trains it is for me.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by brudgers on Sunday April 25, 2021 @08:28PM (#26938102)
It's unfortunate that fears curtail your travel options. I have a close friend who has a similar experience.

For me, driving the west has been life changing. I wish I could convince my friend to give it a go. They would get a lot out of it.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by fho on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @06:21AM (#26967748)
Second this ... I've been commuting for about 84 km each way each day for five years ... in Germany with the regional trains that took me about 1.5h (and only 40 minutes of that were actual train ride).

In that time I would start to work (on the clock), just "sleep in" or work on hobby projects.

In the same time a friend of mine in the bay area manages to travel 20 km to the office.

As much as I hated commuting ... I'd take commuting by train over commuting by car every day.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by benatkin on Sunday April 25, 2021 @11:28PM (#26938973)
> Take the Southwest Chief from Flagstaff to Colorado routes and you'd be amazed at how pretty New Mexico is, the deserts of Arizona and the mountains in Colorado.

I think it leaves Flagstaff really early in the morning - and it's not worth mentioning Flagstaff to LA or LA to Flagstaff because those trips are only scheduled for the middle of the night.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by drawkbox on Monday April 26, 2021 @02:22AM (#26939814)
When I took it, it was early morning Flagstaff (6AM) into Trinidad by later that day (5PM). Going through Navajo lands, then New Mexico, then Colorado coal areas and then beautiful mountains was amazing. It gives you lots of perspective.

They could run them more with more routes and funding. On the way back to Flagstaff it was later so maybe they already have some additional times.

It would be nice to see LA sections during the day. But that is another benefit really, you can sleep easier on a train than you can on a plane or car, especially with a private room/car.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by pc86 on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:17PM (#26936264)
How is property ownership standing in the way of US rail?
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by missedthecue on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:29PM (#26936377)
Railroads (particularly high speed) need to be long and straight. What happens if people don't want a dozen trains roaring through their neighborhood every day? It's difficult to just go around it.

What happens if people don't want a railroad through their property at all? After all, once a railroad is sitting on your land, it's difficult to repurpose it for much else. The state can try eminent domain, but that takes time and lengthy court cases, and the costs add up quick.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by brudgers on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:19PM (#26937266)
The best routes already have railroads. Their right of ways are in private hands.

To put it in perspective, the only all season transcontinental route is the southern most line on the article’s map. It only exists by virtue of the Gadsden Purchase in 1854. The right of way is controlled by the corporate successors of the Southern Pacific.

The non-existence of viable alternative all season grades across the west is why the Gadsden Purchase happened. The US had assumed surely such routes existed in Alta California following its succession in 1848 via the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by jdkee on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:40PM (#26937399)
Driverless electric vehicles will decimate public transportation.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by treis on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:39PM (#26935315)
>Because I can't fathom how a 400 miles high-speed rail route can cost $100bn unless you're spending years re-drafting your route because every asshole on the way has to be heard.

That's exactly what happens. Not because of NIMBYism but because it's run by consultants on cost plus, T&M, or percentage contracts. They have no incentive to finish the project. And in fact are financially rewarded for making the project more expensive.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by Fern_Blossom on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:34PM (#26935271)
You fail to understand construction reality.

The LGV route is a far more open and "flatter" (relatively speaking) than LA to SF. There's way less for them to tunnel or grade, which gets expensive quickly. HSR requires more gentle changes in direction than traditional rail. Building on flat, open terrain that no one is using is great... but that kind of terrain is already in use or owned by someone. Thus, easements or having to outright purchase the land. If not and you go for cheap land, it's going to come with downsides, like being mountainous.

At that, France sees less than 10 earthquake events over 2 magnitude a year on average. In the past week, there were already 6 events over 2 magnitude between LA and SF alone: https://www.cisn.org/map/index.html An LA to SF line is practically on a fault line. Devastating earthquakes are a real reality for a Cali line, not so much for France. The Cali standards for building rail are going to be higher than France, and for EXTREMELY good reason. Thus, price goes up for construction.

There's a lot more at play to building these things. What I mentioned barely scratches the surface to the complications. Claiming NIMBY is pretty naive if you don't take into consideration the real world problems and needs to achieving something compared to the lofty, idealistic wants of a project.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by jcranmer on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:14PM (#26935648)
The portion of the CAHSR system being built right now is flatter and more open than most of France, and isn't on or near any of the major fault lines in California. Its outrageous expense has nothing to do with the geographical challenges of California (which are real, but not for this segment) and everything to do with the incompetence of the construction companies and their governmental overseers, as well as NIMBYs exacerbating these problems to epic degrees.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by Fern_Blossom on Sunday April 25, 2021 @08:12PM (#26938014)
Sunshine bear, check out the menu on that link. Hit load all from the past week. Next, search the LA to SF proposed HSR route. There were 2 dozen earthquakes along the route between 1-2.5mag and 1 at 2.5mag in the last week. The route was hit by more seismic events in one week than France experiences in a year. Yes, they are planning for earthquakes, as they should. It will be hit one day, in the next decade or so by a large event, and should be well prepared for it. The same way how many states are enacting building codes to reflect 100 year flood statistics instead of treating them as rare events. Long term projects need long term expectations of problems and methods to overcome them. You can't just replace rail like you replace your iPhone. This will inevitably cost them more per mile compared to France. That's actually an very intelligent move to make regarding long term infrastructure.

It's funny how the same complaints tech folks make of the construction industry are in parallel with what construction folks say of the tech industry. Both are based off ignorance. I have the pleasant curse of having a foot in both fields.

Real world construction is far more complex and difficult than what you imagine. Wide sweeping statements like, "incompetence of the construction companies and their governmental overseers" stinks of you having an cartoonish armchair understanding of what it actual takes from visualized computer renders to a real standing structure. Because civil engineering in the modern age has been a total failure, har har har. Honestly, it's people like you that are easily persuaded to vote for abolishing OSHA on the grounds to hasten construction times and lower costs. Because guess what, Cali construction costs are pretty high due to safety regulations. This is where... oh God forgive me for saying this... I agree with a lot of Cali construction code even though it can be excessive at times, it's warranted a lot of time. Especially because some of it is set for their specific region's character of obstacles... almost like local authorities know best and should enact laws how to construct depending on their local area's nuances! They shouldn't base their construction methods on regions from the other side of the planet!

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by caskstrength on Monday April 26, 2021 @06:40AM (#26941132)
You seem to be quite knowledgeable on the subject, so let me ask you a question: Is LA to SF is less open and flat, and less seismically active than Tokyo-Kanazawa line? I honestly don't know the answer, but the contrast between Japan (has very nice subway and bullet train lines) and California (can't even go to the grocery store without a car) is quite striking to me every time I visit.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by sbierwagen on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:01PM (#26936632)
>I can't fathom how a 400 miles high-speed rail route can cost $100bn

In the Seattle metro area, about 100 miles of low-speed light rail has cost $75.5 billion so far. Building infrastructure in the US is just inherently more expensive than in other countries. It is a political problem, and unfortunately, only has political solutions.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by brudgers on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:40PM (#26935895)
US rail is private. French rail is national. The French system can use existing right of way without having to acquire right of way.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by gwbrooks on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:49PM (#26936553)
Amtrak receives well more than $1 billion a year in federal subsidies and still loses millions of dollars per year. It is private only in the broadest sense of the word.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by brudgers on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:38PM (#26936928)
Amtrak doesn't own much right of way.[1] Only about 700 miles. There are about 140,000 miles of track in the US. Nearly all of it in private hands.

In France, the railroads are nationalized. A new high speed line doesn't incur the similar costs for right of way acquisitions.

[1]: http://blog.amtrak.com/2019/05/why-are-amtrak-trains-delayed...

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by hakfoo on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:28PM (#26936863)
Amtrak doesn't own most of its rails. They have to negotiate with, e. g. BNSF and Union Pacific to use their tracks in most of the country. This often has led to limits on services and schedules, because they don't want to repackage their profitable freight offerings, or upgrade trackage sufficient for 100kph freight trains but not 200kph+ modern passenger ones.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by mbreese on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:12PM (#26937218)
But the point above is that it doesn’t get any of the “benefits” of being public, even if it is a de-facto public entity.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by thatfrenchguy on Sunday April 25, 2021 @10:20PM (#26938609)
The new TGV are all new right of ways for which they had to buy the lands, except in the suburbs where they go through upgraded original tracks that are shared with suburban trains.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by aylmao on Sunday April 25, 2021 @06:18PM (#26937259)
A detail worth mentioning: Chūō Shinkansen is maglev line, which are more expensive than high-speed rail too.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by bushbaba on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:11PM (#26935022)
Have to wonder if Elon’s boring company is the solution. The state can say you don’t own the ground underneath and just tunnel straight from sf to la
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by bobthepanda on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:16PM (#26935084)
This is not how Western property rights work.

And most of the cost of tunnels is the requirement for emergency access and ventilation; the small demonstration tunnel in Vegas lacks these features, and so was cheaper.

To compare, the Gotthard Base Tunnel in Switzerland requires emergency cross connections every 325m and access shafts to the surface. The cross connections are perpendicular to the main tunnel and short in length so they have to be dug out more or less with workers anyways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel#/media/Fi...

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by spookthesunset on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:50PM (#26935415)
Not just emergency access and ventilation but the stations aren’t cheap or quick to build either. The tunnel itself is almost always the “easy” part.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by bushbaba on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:41PM (#26936957)
From sf to la wouldn’t need stops in between. At most you’d need 1-2 stops in between. I could totally see this as cheaper than dealing with every land owner in between the train’s path
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by bobthepanda on Sunday April 25, 2021 @08:03PM (#26937948)
You still need to deal with every land owner in the path. Property rights don't stop at the surface of the earth.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by underwater on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:03PM (#26936649)
Emergency access isn't necessary for Boring Company tunnels. They're so narrow that no one is getting out of a vehicle in an emergency in the first place.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by ghaff on Sunday April 25, 2021 @05:55PM (#26937076)
In which case there will not actually be Boring Company tunnels.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by masklinn on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:18PM (#26935112)
The cost would actually make sense if it were all tunnels. Japan's newest Shinkansen route will be 90% tunnels, and it's estimated at $90bn for 180 miles. Tunneling is expensive as hell.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by Pxtl on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:57PM (#26935478)
I wonder if you could lower cost by switching to narrower tunnel gauge. Also, if it's all tunnel you could evacuate some of the air to lower resistance...

Oh crud Hyperloop finally makes sense to me.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by bobthepanda on Sunday April 25, 2021 @03:31PM (#26935800)
narrower tunnel gauge either means less capacity or comfort, or sometimes both. part of why Concorde was retired was because the seats themselves were not actually comfortable, and it could not compete with more spacious business class on traditional airliners with innovations like lie flat beds.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by ghaff on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:40PM (#26936469)
I'm not sure the timeframes quite line up. Lie-flat seating was coming in when the Concorde was retired (after an accident and in the wake of 9/11) but I'm not sure how widespread it was.

But, yes, I've been in a Concorde (not flown in one) and the seating is, at best, modern domestic--non lie-flat--business class.

I actually think this is something that a lot of modern supersonic travel fans miss. If you're willing to spend the money that supersonic travel will cost you can travel very comfortably. And 12-24 hours of time spent relaxing comfortably is not actually a problem for most people.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by bobthepanda on Sunday April 25, 2021 @07:57PM (#26937913)
BA, one of the two Concorde operators, started using lie flat beds in 1999. Six hours vs three in a Concorde for JFK-LHR is totally a worthwhile trade for a cheaper fare if the six hours are mostly during sleeping hours anyways.

There were definitely other problems (the aircraft was a dinosaur, with parts no longer made and a three-person crew; there was no reasonable replacement program on the horizon; the fuel costs of supersonic were hard to justify with the oil prices of the 2000s) but yeah, at some point Concorde's proposition became less and less appealing.

FWIW the biggest supersonic contender these days, Boom, is specifically targeting room and per-mile costs for a modern business-class cabin of 50 people, which is a lot more workable from a business perspective. That being said, the money is not really in transatlantic (where you can sleep for 6-8 hours anyways) but in transpacific, because 12+ hours in a plane is a slog no matter how comfy the seat is.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by Pxtl on Monday April 26, 2021 @01:16PM (#26945139)
The narrow tunnel-gage of Boring Company is designed for cars... presumably it'd be possible to have a train vehicle with a form-factor more like stretch minivan than a bus. Lots of moving parts because many many more doors to open-close than a traditional bus or subway. But still, if stop-to-stop times are under half an hour, is it okay to seal someone in stretch-minivan-like train car without a bathroom for half an hour? I dunno.

It does mean that non-stop from LA to San Jose would be right out though. Being conservative and assuming a 300km/h vehicle, you'd want at least 3 stops along the way if people are completely trapped in the vehicle without even being able to stand up, much less relieve themselves.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by bobthepanda on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @03:37PM (#26960453)
Cars, being a mostly private affair, are not subject to the public access regulations of public infrastructure.

The bathroom is an obvious problem, and it also ties into problem # 2; the Americans with Disabilities Act. Cars and even minivans are not compliant with ADA without very expensive modification. Airplanes can afford long dwell times and dedicated personnel for people with disabilities, but as designed Boring Company/Hyperloop stuff can't accommodate this in a reasonable way.

Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by nradov on Sunday April 25, 2021 @04:15PM (#26936242)
The Boring Company will at best only achieve a small reduction in tunneling costs. This wouldn't fix the economics of passenger rail in California.
Re:Amtrak's 2035 map has people talking about the future of ... by conception on Sunday April 25, 2021 @02:29PM (#26935220)
As long as all you want is just a tunnel...

https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/elon-musk-boring-compan...