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Re:The Girl in the Kent State Photo by dragonwriter on Saturday April 24, 2021 @11:07AM (#26925387)
> To play the other half of this argument: America engaged in slavery, but also fought its bloodiest war to end it

It was only “its bloodiest war” because a sizable fraction of the country was fighting to protect slavery. Much of the rest of the world that had chattel slavery ended it without similarly bloody wars—and generally sooner. The fierce defense of chattel slavery in the US that produced its bloodiest war isn’t a positive.

Re:The Girl in the Kent State Photo by PostOnce on Saturday April 24, 2021 @11:23AM (#26925529)
It would have been bloodless had the Union just said "okay let's have slavery."

But they didn't do that. They laid down their lives instead.

Like I said before, picking out only the things we dislike and overlooking positives isn't productive or honest to ourselves.

Re:The Girl in the Kent State Photo by adamcstephens on Saturday April 24, 2021 @02:28PM (#26927184)
The Republicans were only trying to avoid expansion of slavery, not elimination of it. They fought to maintain the Union, not abolition.

Only later did they free the slaves, and as an act of war more than freedom.

Re:The Girl in the Kent State Photo by PostOnce on Saturday April 24, 2021 @06:25PM (#26928712)
How about these 178,000 men, of whom about 35,000 died: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Colored_Troops

I don't think their primary motivation was preservation of the Union, I think it was abolition.

Let's not pretend preservation of the Union was the only major factor, or that abolition was entirely a back-burner concept, it had been building steam and popular support for decades.

Sure, preserving the Union may have been the main concern on a realpolitik level early on, but that doesn't change the fact that abolition was the writing on the wall and had been for decades.

Re:The Girl in the Kent State Photo by dragonwriter on Saturday April 24, 2021 @11:32AM (#26925603)
> It would have been bloodless had the Union just said "okay let's have slavery."

No, because that’s what the Union said—that preserving the Union was more important than abolition. The South declared secession and attacked federal facilities anyway.

The South’s overweaning fear of the distant future possibility of abolition backfired and accelerated it.