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Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd by fastball on Thursday April 22, 2021 @02:14PM (#26905994)
The problem is that cheating (if allowed) does not end up being a few people here and there.
Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd by moron4hire on Thursday April 22, 2021 @02:19PM (#26906059)
Even if I were to believe you, so what? So a person gets a degree they don't deserve. Now they have all this student loan debt they can't pay off because they can't get and keep a job in their field because they didn't actually study.

Or they do get a job and are able to keep it down, in which case, so what if they cheated? They're clearly capable. Let them keep doing the job.

My solution: get rid of degrees completely. Can't cheat if there's no test to cheat on.

Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd by fastball on Thursday April 22, 2021 @03:49PM (#26907346)
I don't disagree with you, but our current system that we have in reality does not handle things well if you just allow rampant cheating.

Restructuring is a good idea but you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater in the meantime.

Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd by wayne-li2 on Thursday April 22, 2021 @02:26PM (#26906174)
I actually agree with you here, our incentive structures are flawed for sure.

The problem is, hiring is expensive, hiring mistakes are expensive, and new grads are a combination of “lack of signals” and “need lots of time to pan out”. The result is companies look for any possible signal - this more or less becomes a degree, and within the degree, the GPA. Thus incentivizing the student to get the degree with a high GPA by any means necessary, and companies will still give you a year to ramp up.

Re:EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd by UglyToad on Thursday April 22, 2021 @05:14PM (#26908282)
I'm probably just agreeing with your agreement but being pedantic but.

Isn't effectively the entire problem with university/college in the current age that instead of its original purpose it's treated as a hiring filter for companies. Shouldn't we do anything we can to disincentivize use of college degrees as a signal for hiring?

Like, doing the job of software development a degree is completely irrelevant. Computer science degrees shouldn't be 4(?) year long coding bootcamps, they should be about computer science for people who are interested in computer science. (disclaimer I never did a computer science degree, I did chemistry but I felt the quality of the degree was similarly afflicted). Anything we can do to make college as a hiring signal worse for companies is better for the quality of education, better for people's financial health and better for equality.

The entire system is rotten and we need to bring the edifice crashing down, not make life easier for companies who are about the only entities with money. You know what costs a lot more than hiring relative to the entity's financial means? A student loan [citation needed I guess].