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Re:India’s second wave by maxerickson on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:02PM (#26893241)
The US paid a lot more than the $1200, in the form of unemployment supplements.

$600 a week at the beginning of the pandemic through July and then $300 a week this year, in addition to a second $2000 payment that went out to more than furloughed or unemployed people.

Re:India’s second wave by supernovae on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:15PM (#26893401)
These numbers don't mean much on their own.

Sure, if you live with mom and pop and you got laid off from a job and had a place to fall back onto, yippee

If you live in pretty much any major city and you're the breadwinner then it doesn't cover rent/mortgage.

We froze foreclosures, so there are estimated millions pending. Unemployment is still in pre-pandemic numbers - all though improving.

I think our reliance on "job" to live is problematic when a virus doesn't care about the societal ramifications of a job.

I think we should talk more broader UBI programs and talk about what countries did that worked... do a huge retrospective and make things better for the future.

Re:India’s second wave by jandrewrogers on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:50PM (#26893897)
In Seattle, I know people who received the equivalent of $75k/year on unemployment from various government sources. That exceeds the median household income in the State, never mind individual income. This is on top of, in some cases, a generous severance.

That easily covered their mortgage and their lifestyle, even in this expensive city, and was in no way sustainable. They had no interest in looking for work while they were receiving those benefits, but now that the benefits are disappearing they've started looking for work again.

Re:India’s second wave by macintux on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @03:13PM (#26894149)
Conversely I know a young couple in Indiana who have no idea how they’re going to feed themselves each week. There are always examples of abuse to point to, but for many people the safety net is a wet paper bag at best.
Re:India’s second wave by jandrewrogers on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:20PM (#26894920)
There was no implication of abuse intended in what I wrote. The intent was temper the notion that everyone receiving unemployment benefits is on the brink of poverty. The reality varies widely. The topic requires more nuance.
Re:India’s second wave by maxerickson on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:18PM (#26893450)
I don't think we need a UBI that makes it easy to live in a city where ~$3000 month ($2400 + normal unemployment) won't cover expenses including housing.
Re:India’s second wave by supernovae on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:31PM (#26893635)
2400 a month is rent here in Austin - and not even expensive rent. Without income, those rentals will foreclose/be evicted. Are you saying future pandemic responses should imply much of society simply deserves to be destitute?
Re:India’s second wave by maxerickson on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:43PM (#26893791)
Unable to afford $2400 month housing in an expensive city isn't the same thing as destitute.

There's houses available in much of the country for $100,000 or less. I'm fine arguing that people can have the option to struggle paying high rent or move, we don't need to pay the high rent just because they prefer the place.

Re:India’s second wave by HappySweeney on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:53PM (#26895305)
Those houses are $100k or less because the only jobs nearby don't pay enough to buy something more expensive.
Re:India’s second wave by maxerickson on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @10:04PM (#26897908)
What does that matter if the house is in good condition and has a sensible amount of room for a family?
Re:India’s second wave by JohnCohorn on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @03:07PM (#26894085)
> 2400 a month is rent here in Austin

Just no, not unless you live in a luxury dwelling or location. Here’s an example place I used to live long ago. Centrally located, next to the major highways, and not unsafe. It’s old and not fancy, but under $1000 and your living expenses can be much lower than that with a roommate. https://www.livechevychase.com/floorplans

Re:India’s second wave by supernovae on Friday April 23, 2021 @12:00PM (#26916107)
Dude, I have a wife and 2 kids and my house is small and yes, it would cost 2400 a month to rent it, luckily i bought it before it tripled in value... i wouldn't buy it for 500k today...

(also, every single room but an efficiency is sold out and there is no pricing on their 3 bedrooms)

Re:India’s second wave by nielsbot on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:09PM (#26893324)
How does it compare to France, Denmark and the UK though?
Re:India’s second wave by makomk on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:17PM (#26894884)
Pretty sure it's much more generous than the UK for everyone except the well-off. In many cases the US managed to pay more than 100% of people's previous salaries in unemployment, structured to be most generous compared to their previous job for those with the least pay before, whereas furlough for those lucky enough to get it was capped at 75% and unemployment for those unlucky enough to lose their jobs entirely was barely boosted over the stingy standard payments. Unfortunately, trusted US publications like the New York Times mislead their readers about this for nakedly partisan reasons, just like they did with every other part of the US pandemic response and how it compared to the rest of the world.
Re:India’s second wave by maxerickson on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:15PM (#26893411)
I dunno, I just updated the first paragraph to make it more clear that I was responding to the $1200 (I replaced "that" with "the $1200").