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Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @11:41AM (#26891109)
> The housing supply argument doesn’t hold up to me, as older people leave their homes newer people should be able to take there place.

Not only are populations growing, but there is a net migration toward high demand areas.

Look at real estate listings in many smaller Midwest cities and you’ll see large inventories of very nice, very affordable homes. Older people are moving out but no one is there to buy them.

Meanwhile, many popular cities are fully built out. It’s musical chairs with existing housing inventory, plus a few high density reconstruction projects here and there.

We thought remote work would enable people to move away from expensive cities, but it turns out many people choose to live in popular, high-demand areas once they no longer have to live near their office.

As long as supply is fixed and demand continues to grow, prices will go up.

Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by refurb on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @11:49AM (#26891222)
Look at real estate listings in many smaller Midwest cities and you’ll see large inventories of very nice, very affordable homes.

What? No, it’s the opposite. Suburban and rural homes have seen major price jumps in the past year while the most expensive cities have stagnated or dropped. For example Western MI has seen more price growth than the city of SF in the past year.

Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by meragrin_ on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:14PM (#26891596)
> Look at real estate listings in many smaller Midwest cities and you’ll see large inventories of very nice, very affordable homes. Older people are moving out but no one is there to buy them.

Not in my small Midwest city. Many houses are being sold in hours. Most of the time I see a new realtor, it is already sale pending. I have little doubt houses are being sold without being put on the market. There are realtors asking around my neighborhood if anyone is looking to sell because they have buyers interested in the area.

Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by kfarr on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:22PM (#26891734)
As the others are commenting I half agree with your comment - there is a supply issue in high density areas AND there is a supply issue in low density areas.
Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by sidlls on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:03PM (#26894706)
I don't know where you're looking. I'm looking in relatively small midwestern towns (Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota) and I see listing for homes valued 20% greater or more compared with last year. A small four-plex that would have listed at $400k and sold for $380k (or so) last year is likely to have listed over $500k and may sell over-asking this year. It's ridiculous.
Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by beiller on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:54PM (#26892195)
But in almost all 1st world countries, the demand is shrinking (negative population growth in all countries). Not to mention the top heavy population in Americas that is approaching EOL (Baby Boomers) which will rapidly shrink the demand in the next 10 years. But it actually appears from sales data that demand is increasing by a great deal. My hypothesis: speculators have been driving this market for quite some time in order to try and escape the inflation they thought "is coming any minute" since 2008.

Here in my city, the rents are decreasing since COVID started and the prices keep skyrocketing. It also supports my hypothesis. Investors are just buying up properties and renting them out, lowering rents everywhere. It may come to a head sooner rather than later, once someone finds the mortgage is way higher than the renter is paying. But even then, I think many owners are willing to take a hair cut on their mortgage because they feel like "the market has performed so well, its worth it". But how long?

Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by ska on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @02:58PM (#26893992)
> (negative population growth in all countries).

This does not seem to be true, most of them have small (< 1%) but positive growth I think.

What were you basing it on? Some of them have negative birth rates, but that isn't the same thing - and to lead to an overall decline in population immigration would have to be reduced by more than the delta.

Re:Making sense of what’s going on in the housing market by beiller on Thursday April 22, 2021 @12:13PM (#26904453)
Yeah sorry I meant negative birth rate. But my assumption of negative growth is based on post covid, since border flow is severely restricted and people are just avoiding moving for the last 1year+. So I have assumed negative growth since covid and I have no source to back it up, yet the real estate market hitting record highs in my country, as a kind of hint that the prices are not driven by immigration demand but purely speculation. I would love to see population growth data for the last 12 months. I will look it up.