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Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by bionhoward on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:15AM (#26888012)
seems extreme. one unethical researcher blocks work for others just because they happen to work at the same employer? they might not even know the author of the paper...
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by hn8788 on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:35AM (#26888221)
The university reviewed the "study" and said it was acceptable. From the email chain, it looks like they've already complained to the university multiple times, and have apparently been ignored. Banning anyone at the university from contributing seems like the only way to handle it since they can't trust the institution to ensure its students are doing unethical experiments.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by rob74 on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:01AM (#26888451)
Plus, it sets a precedent: if your university condones this kind of "research", you will have to face the consequences too...
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by vesinisa on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:33AM (#26888195)
Well, the decision can always be reversed, but on the outset I would say banning the entire university and publicly naming them is a good start. I don't think this kind of "research" is ethical, and the issue needs to be raised. Banning them is a good opener to engage the instiution in a dialogue.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by soneil on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:40AM (#26888852)
It seems fair enough to me. They were curious to see what happens, this happens. Giving them a free pass because they're a university would be artificially skewing the results of the research.

Low trust and negative trust should be fairly obvious costs to messing with a trust model - you could easily argue this is working as intended.

Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by wongarsu on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:39AM (#26888256)
They reported unethical behavior to the university and the university failed to prevent it from happening again.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by yxhuvud on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:13AM (#26888572)
It is an extreme response to an extreme problem. If the other researchers don't like the situation? They are free to raise the problem to the university and have the university clean up the mess they obviously have.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by jnxx on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:49AM (#26888346)
Well, shit happens. Imaging doctors working in organ transplants, and one of them damages trust of people by selling access to organs to rich patients. Of course that damages the field for everyone. And to deal with such issues, doctors have some ethics code, and in many countries associations which will sanction bad eggs. Perhaps scientists need something like that, too?
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by op00to on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:37AM (#26888235)
The University approved this research. How can one trust anything from that university now?
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by kalwz on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:51AM (#26888370)
It approved the research, which I don't find objectionable.

The objectionable part is that the group allegedly continued after having been told to stop by the kernel developers.

Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by vntok on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:03AM (#26888470)
Why is that objectionable, do actual bad actors typically stop trying after being told to do so?
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by dkersten on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:33AM (#26888782)
Which just demonstrates that these guys are actual bad actors, so blocking everyone at the university seems like a reasonable attempt at stopping them.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by extropy on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:52AM (#26888975)
It's objectionable because of severe consequences beyond just annoying people. If there was a malicious purpose, not just research, you could bring criminal charges against them.

In typical grey hat research you get pre-approval from target company leadership (engineers don't know) to avoid charges once discovered.

Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by JBorrow on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:51AM (#26888367)
That's not really how it works. Nobody's out there 'approving' research (well, not seemingly small projects like this), especially at the university level. Professors (all the way down to PhD students!) are usually left to do what they like, unless there are specific ethical concerns that should be put before a review panel. I suppose you could argue that this work should have been brought before the ethics committee, but it probably wasn't, and in CS there isn't a stringent process like there is in e.g. psychology or biology.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by chromatin on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:00AM (#26888432)
Wrong!

If you read the research paper linked in the lkml post, the authors at UMN state that they submitted their research plan to the University of Minnesota Institutional Research Board and received a human subjects exempt waiver.

Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by gbrown on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:23AM (#26888657)
A human subjects determination isn’t really an approval, just a note that the research isn’t HSR, which it sounds like this wasn’t.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by op00to on Thursday April 22, 2021 @12:08PM (#26904385)
It absolutely was human subject research. Try for yourself! Here's the NIH's rubric:

https://grants.nih.gov/policy/humansubjects/hs-decision.htm

for q1, the study collects data like observations of behavior, so we must answer yes.

for q2, none of the exemptions apply - it's not an educational setting, they're not sending a survey, it's not an observation of the public - they're interacting, and it's clear that these interactions are not benign - they have clear impact on the community. None of these exemptions apply.

Based on this flow, it's clear the study involves "human research".

Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by bluGill on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @09:01AM (#26889085)
Well it was, but not the type of thing that HSR would normally worry about.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by op00to on Thursday April 22, 2021 @12:13PM (#26904462)
That waiver was issued incorrectly. See my post in this same thread on why - essentially, if you do the NIH test, it's HSR.
Re:“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose” by pdpi on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:00AM (#26888439)
The emails suggest this work has been reported in the past. A review by the ethics committee after the fact seems appropriate, and it should’ve stopped a repeat offence.