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Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by encryptluks2 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:30PM (#26883382)
Reminder that using paper ballots mean that you never can make sure your vote was counted accurately and you have thousands of people on extreme sides of both political spectrums capable of interfering with your vote in some way.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by bawolff on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:37PM (#26883944)
We have well understood systems to mitigate risk of election tampeting with paper ballots. Not perfect, but enough i trust it.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by dumbfoundded on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:07PM (#26885001)
I think any reasonable system would include both. Paper backups + digital efficiency seems like the way to do it. Maybe paper backups + blockchain digital solutions would be preferable.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by bawolff on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:48PM (#26885230)
At which point why bother with the blockchain?
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by dumbfoundded on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:04AM (#26885312)
I think the point of blockchain is that it's more traceable and secure than other open options. I would think of it less as a crypto-currency and more of a merkle tree like git. Voting blockchain solutions won't be decentralized. It's just a useful protocol with some benefits.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by bawolff on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:58AM (#26886999)
Which is not what you want in a secret ballot election. Ballot secrecy is an important safeguard to prevent coercion and vote buying.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by dumbfoundded on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @11:42AM (#26891120)
There are protocol choices that still enable secret voting like monero for example.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by remram on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:51PM (#26883542)
You can watch people open the envelopes and count the votes.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by snug on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:22PM (#26883825)
Can you guarantee the supply chain, and the people watching every vote?
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by ben-schaaf on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:54PM (#26884099)
Yes? In Australia every candidate can appoint scrutineers to watch votes being counted.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by snug on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:19PM (#26885060)
How do you trust all of them?
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by remram on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @03:47PM (#26894505)
You only need to trust one of them, or trust that they would not all conspire to steal the election the same way. Not too hard, compared to a piece of software that has a much less reliable supply chain.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by bawolff on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:37PM (#26883948)
Yes?

Just livestream the whole process.

Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by remram on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:54PM (#26884101)
Or just stand there. Where I'm from, representatives from each party and members of the public will be present the whole day.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by snug on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:53PM (#26884090)
Mail in voting? Early voting last for up to 2 months. That doesn't scale to 100M votes
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by remram on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:56PM (#26884114)
By "using paper ballots" I understood it to be in-person, voting by mail has a lot of issues indeed.
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by snug on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @09:50PM (#26884497)
Usually in person voting is done through a machine. Where as vote by mail is a paper ballet
Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by bawolff on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:47PM (#26885221)
Only in the united states (where i am not from). Normally i think of paper ballots as the hand counted sort.

However as long as tge machine is just a scanner (still paper trail) much of the same argument spplies.

Re:Trust in blockchain-based systems by remram on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:56AM (#26885564)
That sounds ridiculous but I'm sure it works this way in the US. If you can have the worst of both worlds why not make it so.