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Re:Small cities in America’s Mountain West are booming by giantg2 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:46PM (#26877953)
"However, in essentially 0 places in the US that are hot housing markets do they allow as much housing as is demanded."

And thus my question/comments about controlling the demand side, as the supply side changes haven't worked well.

"Good intentions to help the old people stay in their homes but it means that the new people moving in support the people that lived there earlier."

Well, the system of funding the schools through property taxes on people without children is essentially the same - tax is used for "the collective good", where you have some people supporting others.

Re:Small cities in America’s Mountain West are booming by zip1234 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:50PM (#26879368)
Here is an image that shows you what California's property tax system has done: https://twitter.com/nextdoorsv/status/1265719788875272192

Keep in mind that the tax break can be passed on to children when the owner passes. I fail to see the collective good in that system. But at least the owners of that $3.5M home never have to leave while they pay $800/yr in property taxes and the newcomer that moved into the identical house next door pays $25k/yr.

Re:Small cities in America’s Mountain West are booming by giantg2 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:27PM (#26880120)
The greater good is that you don't force people out of their homes. If you worked at 1960s-1990s pay, there's no way you're affording $30k a year in tax, so it makes sense to lock it at the purchased value. Sure the child inheritance of the old tax rate might not be. The real question is why not use income tax? This would avoid kicking out the elderly, and only collect money from those who are actually making it.

I don't generally like the idea of taxing people on things they already have. I would rather see it on the people who are making money. If you are benefiting from the system (income) then pay part of it (tax). Under these other schemes, it could be that the system has failed you, left you behind, etc and then the tax is like the nail in the coffin. It makes the most sense to take the money from the people who are making it.

Re:Small cities in America’s Mountain West are booming by jjav on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @03:32PM (#26894355)
> https://twitter.com/nextdoorsv/status/1265719788875272192

No idea where that is so can't comment on it.

However, I do know that some of these sites that report propery taxes do have incorrect information.

In my neighborhood (where I bought before it was built and have lived there ever since and know well who has lived for how long in each house) I see most houses on my street reported with their correct property tax but there are a few outliers which are completely wrong. Those show a property tax far lower than it ever was.

If someone were to take a screenshot of the property tax reported for my street, they'd think there is a 100x difference between the lowest and the highest for similar homes. But those lowest numbers are not true.

The real spread is more like 2.5x from lowest to highest. Which is not nothing, obviously, but way closer than it would seem.

Re:Small cities in America’s Mountain West are booming by dcow on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:26PM (#26878816)
The supply side changes haven't worked because people are selfish and the system is perverted. “I’ll see your family struggle with gentrification before I lose my bay views and stupidly inflated house value.”

The problem is boomers treating property as an investment vehicle the value of which must go up up up. Introduce affordable housing to cool the market off? Not over my dead body if it means people won’t be clawing tooth and nail for properties in my neighborhood anymore.

The incentives are so backwards. I’ve got mine fuck yours. I don't see how demand side regulation addresses any of this...

Re:Small cities in America’s Mountain West are booming by giantg2 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:33PM (#26878991)
The higher taxes mentioned would be a demand side tactic. We could also address the root cause and not just the symptoms. The high paying jobs are one of the biggest things bringing people in. The city could create policies that make other locations more attractive for businesses to create those jobs, thus decreasing demand in the areas with the problem.

I do understand that many of the incentives are backwards, so higher taxes, policies to move jobs, etc are all difficult to handle. But I also think that building more high density housing isn't really going to fix anything. In my view, many of the people in this sort of situation chose to be - they could take jobs in other cities but the group-think says they need to be in SV and working for FAANG to be successful. Not to mention that many want a single family home with amenities to come with that.