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Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by JulianRaphael on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:00PM (#26867284)
dang - are there any features for making HN more accessible? A vision-impaired colleague of mine wanted to check out HN today and made me aware that the contrasts on HN make it really hard for people with impaired vision to read on HN (webaim.org confirms this: https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/?fcolor=919191&...). Using his screen reader (NVDA) didn't help much as the front page doesn't seem to take into account screen reading software. Has someone built a more accessible version of HN? Also, does the HN team plan to make HN more accessible in the future?
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by dang on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:01PM (#26867308)
It's a problem and yes we plan to fix it. I'm sorry it hasn't been fixed yet; we're just slow at things. Hopefully HN will be around for long enough to justify how slow we are.
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by JulianRaphael on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:11PM (#26867422)
That's great news and thanks for the swift reply. Have you considered asking the HN community for help with this issue? I'm sure there would be lots of volunteers.
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by dang on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:43PM (#26867752)
I will when we actually get to work on it. Before that, it would be counterproductive—just having to process the inputs would cause further delay.
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by ramses0 on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:14PM (#26867444)
Markdown? Markdown-ish? Something better than the foot-gun of markup currently supported?
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by function_seven on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:51PM (#26867837)
My wish list is not full Markdown support, but a little more than is currently implemented:

1. Ordered lists

- Unordered lists

Inline `code snippets`

Super^script

That's it. I totally get why HN wouldn't want tables, bold headers, etc. There's a danger of comments getting visually "noisy" with these. But for referencing code or mathematical concepts, or just listing things, the 4 things above would be really handy.

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by bradrn on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:19PM (#26869737)
I find I can make unordered lists quite effectively

• like this

• using characters like

• U+2022 BULLET

‣ Or U+2023 TRIANGULAR BULLET

Similarly, you can do superˢᶜʳⁱᵖᵗ using Unicode as well (though I would only recommend it for numbers; Unicode doesn’t include all superscript letters, and most of the ones it does include look bad when used together). But yes, I agree that proper support for these things would be very good. (Especially code blocks!)

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by function_seven on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:26PM (#26869775)
Yeah, I’ve done it before for superscript characters and even have used fixed width code points to force inline code. But it was cumbersome. (One time my whole comment was written in fixed width characters—I don’t remember why—and I found it a few hours later transliterated to the 0-127 range)

EDIT: Also, with native list support, you don’t get the wide line spacing. I like lists that aren’t paragraphs for each item.

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by ramses0 on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:58PM (#26867911)
Yup... Lists, `inline`, and ```code``` would be fantastic. It's so annoying for n.yc to be literally the only place on the internet where you can type into a textbox but that textbox isn't some variation of markdown. (even facebook messages [on web] supports triple-ticks for code!)
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by lights0123 on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:27PM (#26868148)
> literally the only place on the internet

Haven't worked with forum software other than Discourse, have you? They all still use BBCode.

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by charrondev on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:30PM (#26869790)
I work at Vanilla Forums (we power some of the largest communities online).

I’ve worked a lot on our editors and content formatting pipelines. We support plaintext, markdown, HTML, BBCode, and a WYSIWYG editor with markdown shortcuts.

In reality is estimate the distribution is mostly the WYSIWYG editor nowadays for newer sites and BBCode for the older ones (some users on older entrenched communities really like their BBCode I guess).

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by ramses0 on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:52PM (#26868337)
True, but it's such a mismatch in expectations where the entire tech industry has embraced markdown, but n.yc (tech mecca / water cooler) is most decidedly (and surprisingly) uses NotMarkdown(tm).
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by Spooky23 on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:13PM (#26869706)
HN is an institution. The tech industry should be ashamed that they have HN modes.
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by tomklein on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:00PM (#26868813)
You can do code blocks by putting two spaces in front of text:

  This is an example of a code block, if that’s what you meant.
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by ramses0 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:38AM (#26876078)
Here's a memorable jingle for that handy new emergency number...

``` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ ```

  </snark>
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by DoreenMichele on Monday April 19, 2021 @06:24PM (#26868563)
I'm co-owner of a small Google Group for blind developers started on HN. The other co-owner is a blind developer.

Presumably, he's able to navigate HN since that's how we met.

I'm visually impaired but not blind. I have no problems navigating HN.

You are welcome to join the group and ask how other members navigate HN. Most of them joined via links found on HN.

https://groups.google.com/g/blind-dev-works

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by gostsamo on Monday April 19, 2021 @11:31PM (#26870402)
The fact that I can navigate HN does not mean that it is pleasurable. The front page makes cumbersome to navigate down the list of publications and the comments sections do not signal where a thread starts or ends and who is answering to whom. Skipping boring threads therefore becomes practically impossible unless I find the top comment and know the uncommunicated feature to collapse threads.
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by greggturkington on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:03PM (#26867964)
I've written an accessible skin for HN that's about 90% complete. It targets WCAG 2.0. I will post it here when it's released.

The text is mostly illegible, but there are LOTS of other issues too, tap target sizing for example.

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by dang on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:34PM (#26868186)
Please email [email protected] when you do post it!
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by gmfawcett on Monday April 19, 2021 @05:56PM (#26868364)
> I've written an accessible skin for HN... The text is mostly illegible...

I guess everyone has to start somewhere? :P

Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by seumars on Monday April 19, 2021 @06:28PM (#26868597)
(Greyed out comments are not a bug but a feature)
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by saagarjha on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:01PM (#26868822)
Perhaps, but not everyone may want to enable this particular feature…
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by codyb on Monday April 19, 2021 @10:38PM (#26870151)
You can turn it off by enabling “show dead”.
Re:A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behavio... by Sebb767 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:06AM (#26870555)
That will show dead comments, but near-dead ones are still grey.

In fact, dead ones are gray too, so you effectively increase the amount of gray comments ;)