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Re:Word usage guidance and alternative terms by Pfhreak on Monday April 19, 2021 @10:36AM (#26863194)
There are plenty of examples, from titles of things (eg. " Guys and Dolls"), to expressions that are clearly understood to be gendered. (Eg, "I only date guys." Or "if the guys will please leave the room for a moment.")

Yes, there are are colloquial uses where it is gender neutral, but those are not universal internationally.

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Re:Word usage guidance and alternative terms by damagednoob on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:35AM (#26873703)
I'm not asking about whether guys can refer to both men and women. I'm asking explicitly about precedence. Is gentleman similarly problematic because of the phrase, 'ladies and gentleman'?

This seems like a completely made up problem.

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Re:Word usage guidance and alternative terms by Pfhreak on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:19AM (#26875841)
The phrase ladies and gentlemen does have it's own problems, mostly because it fails to address non binary people.

> This seems like a completely made up problem.

Only because it doesn't impact you. Consider developing more empathy. Surely you know some folks who gave challenges in their lives that others callously dismiss as not a big deal.

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Re:Word usage guidance and alternative terms by damagednoob on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:32AM (#26876013)
If you're basing your argument of the gender precedence of 'guys' on 'Guys and Dolls', I think I'm comfortable in my opinion that this is a made up problem.

> Surely you know some folks who gave challenges in their lives that others callously dismiss as not a big deal.

Sure do. And they recognised that those problems were their own that they needed to overcome. Not insist that everyone else change to accommodate them.

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