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Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by oblio on Monday April 19, 2021 @02:27AM (#26859648)
For most people it's:

A) be poor now

versus

B) maybe face the collapse of global civilization in 40 years.

They'll chose B) everytime.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by blackoil on Monday April 19, 2021 @02:46AM (#26859749)
Do you have any historical examples of this? As I believe in opposite.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by oblio on Monday April 19, 2021 @03:17AM (#26859903)
Tragedy of the commons is a thing for a reason.

Why do you think that a lot of people want "small government"? The state/government is by definition in those "commons".

Regarding examples, they're countless. Think of petty tyrants fighting over the remains of the Byzantine Empire just as about the Ottomans were about to conquer it. Almost every falling empire had this behavior going on, selfish people "getting theirs" just before the fall.

It's human nature, unfortunately.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by pmiller2 on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:56AM (#26860453)
The government isn't really part of "the commons" at all:

> "The opinions of 90% of Americans have essentially no impact at all [on what becomes law]."

https://act.represent.us/sign/the-problem/

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by oblio on Monday April 19, 2021 @06:30AM (#26861092)
It is of the commons. That's the problem. If the government were pmiller2's property, nobody could take it over, you'd defend it.

But because the government/state is ill-defined and shared, it can be abused and it's much harder to do anything about it.

Private property is selfish but efficient and clearly separated from the rest (in general) while public property is altruistic, not that efficient and generally not that well delineated from the rest.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by pmiller2 on Monday April 19, 2021 @01:44PM (#26865769)
Our government has more characteristics of private property than the commons, then.
Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by mantas on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:13AM (#26860213)
And new regime is usually coming to get rich fast, not fight for a noble goal achievable in 100 years. Even if leaders are naive idealists, usually the masses get behind them for a quick buck.

I love evolution of USSR for this reason. First the masses took down Tsarist regime to take property of the rich. Then masses took down Soviet regime to privatise the property. Both events happened because life was shit and people were looking for a quick way to live better.

Re:India may build new coal plants due to low cost despite c... by mantas on Monday April 19, 2021 @04:10AM (#26860195)
Take a look at any (r)evolution. Pretty much every time people took "get rich soon" over hippy paradise. French revolution, Soviet revolution, Dissolution of USSR, Hitler coming to power...

Do you have any arguments to believe in the other option?