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Re:Java Is Underhyped by pjmlp on Friday April 16, 2021 @06:26AM (#26832046)
> While we don’t have specific plans to announce at this time, we have been researching the topic, conducting customer interviews, and are working with the Python team at Microsoft so we can build a plan that we think can address the scenarios you told us about and ensure it can run wherever Excel runs.

Any long time developer on MS stack knows that actually means "thank you very much but no".

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Re:Java Is Underhyped by BiteCode_dev on Friday April 16, 2021 @07:06AM (#26832372)
They just hired Guido, the father of Python, at Microsoft.

So, I would not be so sure.

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Re:Java Is Underhyped by pjmlp on Friday April 16, 2021 @08:33AM (#26833077)
Yeah, because he did so much for Python tooling at Google.
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Re:Java Is Underhyped by johnnycerberus on Friday April 16, 2021 @12:54PM (#26836304)
Google is hugely invested into Python, especially the data engineering branch. TensorFlow, Jax, etc. Though they will probably get replaced by Dex lang, they even dropped Swift 4 Tensorflow to focus on Dex [1]. The language looks very Pythonic compared to Julia which is a 180-degree turn in terms of language design.

[1] https://github.com/google-research/dex-lang

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Re:Java Is Underhyped by pjmlp on Friday April 16, 2021 @04:09PM (#26838523)
All of the Tensorflow underlying libraries are implemented in C++ and nowadays usable from almost any language with native interop.

As for Dex,

> Research language for array processing in the Haskell/ML family

> This is an early-stage research project, not an official Google product.

Where is Python?

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Re:Java Is Underhyped by johnnycerberus on Friday April 16, 2021 @06:32PM (#26839787)
Take a look at the code examples, looks like Python & Numpy + Haskell had a baby. And yes, it is developed by the creators of PyTorch (the irony) and some of the guys from Tensorflow, Jax and S4TF at Google Research & DeepMind. Read their paper here, it's pretty interesting. [1] It may never become an actual production language but it is many times more interesting than both S4TF and Julia.

[1] https://openreview.net/pdf?id=rJxd7vsWPS

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Re:Java Is Underhyped by FridgeSeal on Saturday April 17, 2021 @08:56PM (#26848846)
Oh this looks nice.

But it’s also a google side project, so previous experience dictates that it’ll be dead somewhere between arrival and 5 years time.

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