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Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by juancb on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:12PM (#26822339)
So what's the story behind the return abuse in India?
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by gambiting on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:19PM (#26822458)
I suspect it's the same story I heard in Poland - it's basically impossible to buy insurance against loss of mobile phone, because apparently people abused it too much. You can still get insurance against theft or damage, but not for loss. It was just too easy for people to say "yeah, I lost the phone, please send a new one thanks".

But I mean, those policies exist elsewhere, so I don't know what specifically makes Polish customers more prone to abusing those policies. I suspect it's the relative cost of a phone vs income.

Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by alex_smart on Friday April 16, 2021 @12:13AM (#26829369)
I can't speak for Poland, but for India the primary reason such services can't exist is - culture.

India is basically a "low trust society". People in general have a mindset of "scarcity" and at every stage of their lives they try to micro-optimize for what's the best for them at that time. In the absence of good institutions, this often means that we get stuck in shitty Nash equilibria which have terrible, terrible outcomes for everyone involved, but are difficult to get out of.

It is not that everyone in India has no morals or behaves terribly. But the number of people who do are enough to spoil trust-based models that work in other countries by making them too expensive.

From a business point of view, the obvious question is - how do you create a circle of "trustworthy" people? If you could create such a circle, you could offer them special services (better return policies, lower rates for insurance and credit etc) to encourage them to consume more without worrying so much about abuse. This is one of the most exciting business problems in India and solving it is worth at least worth 10 billion dollars and that is probably an underestimate.

There is one company already that claims to have solving this problem as their primary long-term vision - Cred and that company is currently valued at > $2 billion even though currently their revenues are weak and any connection to the long term trust problem quite distant.

Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by lovestodonothin on Saturday April 17, 2021 @04:18AM (#26842550)
Which company is that?
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by alex_smart on Saturday April 17, 2021 @09:11AM (#26843983)
It's called Cred.
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by sss111 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:28PM (#26822604)
AppleCare+ covered two incidents of Theft, Loss and accidents.

Third party resellers essentially activated an iphone and marked it as lost. Then, after getting a new replacement iPhone from Apple, they would go on and sell it to customers.

Nowadays, you can only get AppleCare (not the plus) in India which does not cover theft or accidental damage.

Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by robbiep on Thursday April 15, 2021 @08:56PM (#26828067)
Does that really lead to gain? I would have thought logging the phone as lost with Apple would have disabled it. Presumably not
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by axaxs on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:25PM (#26822544)
I'm just an observer of forums and whatnot, and not Indian, but have a couple guesses.

1 - People buying a handful of phones and comparing them, then returning all but the one they decide to keep.

2 - Semi related, one of the ten thousand phone comparison Youtuber channels.

Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by r-bar on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:54PM (#26823036)
I think #1 is a signal of a failure in the online retail space. As a customer other than reading the (often gamed) reviews on amazon and watching youtube reviewers how do you know what to buy? Buying a bunch of options and returning them starts to look like a legitimate strategy. For some products (for me it tends to be laptops) you really do not know if you like it until you have your hands on the physical product.
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by axaxs on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:59PM (#26823099)
I agree. I myself have noticed how bad all reviews have gotten. For example, I bought an S20 FE last year, and it had a horrible touch screen. Almost EVERYONE who bought one said the same thing and complained. I can think of zero 'reviewers' who even mentioned it. I would be supremely angry if it were a $1200 device with no return policy.

I don't really know what the solution is. I think a phone rental business could spring up. Charge $10/day or something to rent a high end phone to folks to see how they like it.

Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by WrtCdEvrydy on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:27PM (#26823522)
Back in the day, this is what electronics shops were used for... go to Circuit City/Best Buy/Your Telephone Company's store and check out the phones.
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by happymellon on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:51PM (#26824670)
Most phone shops have only had dummy phones for as long as I can remember.
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by officeplant on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:19PM (#26826238)
Bestbuy still has mostly functional phones. I recently went by my local one to play with a Pixel 4A before buying it there unlocked. When I worked at Radioshack (2010-2013) we had mostly dummy phones except for the companies that were desperate enough to have "dumb" demo phones that felt like a real phone but just played a looped video on the screen.

My guess is that Bestbuy has more money so they can afford the rare demo phone getting stolen somehow. Funnily enough when I worked at Radioshack we often had people steal the fake phones that just played a video loop. Someone even tried to return a fake phone once saying that we sold them a broken device.

Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by rchaud on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:47PM (#26825294)
Most of the tech review channels are focused on getting views, sponsors and free product samples. Unsurprisingly the videos increasingly resemble infomercials, focused more on lifestyle and aesthetics than whether or not the product is actually worth buying.
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by carstenhag on Thursday April 15, 2021 @04:27PM (#26825696)
10-20€ refund fees?
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by axaxs on Thursday April 15, 2021 @04:36PM (#26825811)
I considered it, but I think an open box item is worth considerably less.

Think of it - if you are spending $1200 on an item, would you want to save $20 on it to get one that who knows who had for who knows how long? I sure wouldn't. You'd probably need to go at least $100 lower before it becomes somewhat appealing.

Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by officeplant on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:20PM (#26826252)
Bestbuy just charges a 15% restocking fee on all phones returns now if you opened the box. As someone who often has buyers remorse or didn't get an adequate experience in store first I'm completely fine with that.
Re:Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refu... by wolfretcrap on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:53PM (#26823017)
No average Indian asking for return doesn't have YouTube review channel.