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Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by randomhodler84 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:35AM (#26821721)
Hahaha not this again. More ignorance and misinterpretation of how and why energy is used. It doesn’t matter how much energy is used! What matters is how it is made, and there is no better financial incentive than renewably mined bitcoin.

Eventually humanity should build acoustic Dyson spheres around nocoiners to convert their void screams into network hashrate.

Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by domano on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:42AM (#26821835)
I do not understand the argument, i have read it a lot in the last weeks. Does bitcoin not just incentivise the currently cheapest energy source? Which is still not renewable for most markets afaik.
Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by tlb on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:54AM (#26822027)
Every use of power is incentivized to use the cheapest energy source. So the only way to solve CO2 climate effects is to make renewables be the cheapest.

Solar is getting cheaper following a learning curve, where every billion dollars spent makes it a few percent cheaper. It’s possible that an increase in power demand will get us to fully renewable energy faster. Solar competes well with coal for new capacity, but not for existing capacity. So growth in demand may cause a faster transition.

Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by edwnjos on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:59AM (#26822122)
Renewable energy created during low usage times are the cheapest since otherwise its going to waste. Lots of dams china, hence lots of miners in china.
Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by randomhodler84 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:48AM (#26821933)
Eventually all markets will converge on renewable energy being the cheapest. It can be no other way — no consumable fuel will always beat consumable fuel in the long run. Bitcoin accelerates this transition process by providing something of value.
Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by planb on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:52AM (#26822010)
Yes, in the long run you are right. In the timeframe that matters, Bitcoin IS an ecological disaster. I don't understand why people ignore that just because they like the idea of crypto - which I do, too.

edit: well, actually of course I understand. But wouldn't it be honest to say "I care less about the environment than I care about my wealth" instead of claiming that Bitcoin will incentivise green energy?

Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by snypher on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:44AM (#26821865)
>doesn’t matter how much energy is used

For machines that turn coal into waste heat for no benefit, I think it does.

Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by randomhodler84 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:50AM (#26821965)
It’s cool that you think there is no benefit. Bitcoin is an optional system that nobody is forced to use. I find a very large benefit and so do millions of others. Enjoy watching the depreciating fiat!
Re:The ecological disaster that is Bitcoin by creepto on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:25PM (#26824330)
Luckily Bitcoin cannot depreciate.

If times get rough Bitfinex can just print a few billion USDT.