A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the Indeterminate [pdf]

Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by noir_lord on Thursday April 15, 2021 @09:00AM (#26819914)

I love these old comp-sci papers.

Makes you wonder what amazing ideas are buried in them that where ahead of their time then but aren't now.

So much of what we use today came out of academia a couple of decades ago - I've made the joke before that if you want to see what the front-end folks will be doing next year look what was the hot research 25 years ago.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by whytaka on Thursday April 15, 2021 @09:46AM (#26820410)

Do you have an example of this?

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by cratermoon on Thursday April 15, 2021 @10:28AM (#26820929)

- D. L. Parnas, On the Criteria To Be Used in Decomposing Systems into Modules 1972

- Liskov, B Programming With Abstract Data Types 1974

- ______ A behavioral notion of subtyping, 1994

- Waldo et al, A note on distributed computing, 1997

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by whytaka on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @01:05PM (#26892351)

Thanks.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by lalaithion on Thursday April 15, 2021 @10:33AM (#26820996)

2003: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/a-user-...

2021: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ult...

Not quite 25 years, but it was a paper published by microsoft research, about a microsoft project, that took 18 years to be implemented.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by whytaka on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @01:05PM (#26892354)

Thanks.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by noir_lord on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:38PM (#26824493)

http://conal.net/papers/icfp97/

Functional Reactive Animation - 1997

Functional Reactive Programming is (one of) the current hotness.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by whytaka on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @01:05PM (#26892357)

Thanks.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by macintux on Thursday April 15, 2021 @10:57AM (#26821256)

Bret Victor’s classic talk “The Future of Programming” is worth watching on this subject.

http://worrydream.com/dbx/

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by whytaka on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @01:05PM (#26892359)

Thanks.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by ggrrhh_ta on Thursday April 15, 2021 @09:51AM (#26820490)

Bhuyan L.N.'s 1984 paper to be concrete, but in general, Valerio M.'s papers, Lamport papers, some old results from Knuth...

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by whytaka on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @01:05PM (#26892362)

Thanks.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by throwaway823882 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @09:59AM (#26820591)

I remember my dismay when I realized years ago that successive generations of software developers don't know anything their predecessors did. It takes about a decade or more for them to pick it up by osmosis from their peers (or HN). I don't know what the hell is going on in Computer Science classes, but they sure aren't teaching enough history.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by zokier on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:00PM (#26822139)

Your comment is directly contradictory. You say that developers pick stuff up by osmosis from their peers, but at the same time do not know anything from their predecessors. How does that work?

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by robertlagrant on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:41PM (#26824537)

Peers and predecessors are not the same.

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Re:A File Structure for the Complex, the Changing, and the I... by cratermoon on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:40AM (#26821803)

Marianne Bellotti's new book, *Kill it with Fire" has an entire chapter, titled "Time is a Flat Circle", devoted to this sort of institutional amnesia.

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