>If you can't be bothered to find a single woman judge, how are you going to rate projects created and designed by women?]

That is some pretty non-transitional thinking!

Why in the world would a man not be able to just a Redis project developed by a woman?

[edited because of your edit: I stand by the above statement even in the face of your very weak argument]

Let me ask you a question. If that panel had been all women, would you be on here talking about how a woman would not be able to judge a Redis project developed by a man?

If you genuinely believe this: that it makes no difference, why would you choose to have an all-men judging panel?

>If you genuinely believe this: that it makes no difference, why would you choose to have an all-men judging panel?

I didn't choose. Perhaps the people that did, didn't have a lot of, or maybe any, women to choose from? Or perhaps, and I know this is going to piss off a lot of people, but perhaps the best judges they could find just happened to be men?

In any case, my mind, unlike yours apparently, did not immediately jump to malice or the soft bigotry of them "just not knowing" they fucked up due to innate misogyny.

How many men and women work at Redis Labs? Do you know their qualifications? ratio? Expertise matters a lot when it comes to judging some other person's product.

I am pretty sure, if you were selected, no matter how good other products will be, you chose female build product. Is this fair?

Because 19 of the top 20 contributors to redis are men?

>why would you choose to have an all-men judging panel?

e.g maybe they were the only competent/(interested in taking a part in this project) people avaliable

I politely want to say shut up, but can't find best words. Because you judge people based on their sex/race, I am pretty sure Redis people didn't even think about sex of judges, they just selected people by their expertise. There might have been other female experts on team, but they weren't considered not because they are female, just because other people had more experience (may be)

No one said women are incompetent, this is how you build your own world view, so you think men think women are incompetent.

Not thinking about the sex of the judges does imply ignoring any possible unconscious bias.

I am not a fan of discrimination, "positive" or otherwise, but I think acknowledging that unconscious biases exist, and that a panel selection process has tried to account for that, is the minimum I'd expect for something like this.

> No one said women are incompetent,

The commenter above literally says "maybe [men] were the only competent people avaliable".

For clarification, are we reading this differently?

but

"maybe [men] were the only competent people avaliable"

is not equal to

"women are incompetent"

I meant in the terms of experience

e.g let's say you have 10 senior level men because they were in the company since the beginning and then you have let's say 40-60% women-men ratio in new people - juniors and mid levels

If I were company, then I'd send the best people avalibale to things like that, also some people just may not want to do things like that

Pretty sexist of you to assume, that certainly there must be woman available for ux testing. Could it not be, that they have smth better to do?

I can give you a list of professional women UX experts who would have been delighted to have been asked (before now), and if you can't, then I believe you shouldn't be composing a panel for judging UX - because you don't know or haven't researched the field sufficiently well to even identify any women.

The assumption being made in this thread is that the six men are particular experts in the fields being judged: the best available experts.

From what I can see, the selected judges don't even work in those fields being judged (i.e. there is no reason to confer them this expertise), so the reasoning that the best available experts must have been chosen doesn't make any sense.

Redis isn't UX. The hackathon isn't about "product design" either.

It's a specific technology in a coding environment where 95% seems to be male. I don't know 1 female dba, which is more closely aligned than what Redis does ( I do know multiple in design/UX/Graphics )

Open source even has more males to females than tech in general.

You are free to find better data than the Github survey: https://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/#data which clearly states that only 1/20 are female.

Additionally: 9 people in Redis org, all male: https://github.com/orgs/redis/people

Additionally: I can't see a single female Redis contributor: https://github.com/redis/redis/graphs/contributors

They have female employees outside of coding, for sure: https://redislabs.com/company/careers/

Convince me with relevant data that the judge panel is "unfair".

> Redis isn't UX. The hackathon isn't about "product design" either.

Please check the parent link for the "Judging Criteria" section (two of the three strands are Usefulness and UX) and "Project Ideas" section (literally all product designs).

Usefulness is about the general usefulness of a project, not design.

UX and DX ( you removed halve), it can be an API. An API doesn't need design or UX.

There's not a single absolute requirement on design.

Since product design/ux is about graphics/visuals.

So in your opinion they should try to find judges outside their company?

If you're going to pay for a prize competition in product design, when your company doesn't have product design as a core skill, then maybe it would be a good idea to find independent, expert judges of product design from outside of the company?

Sure, that's what I would do. But that part is up to them.

I wonder if side effect of such comments/posts are the actual reason we can't fix diversity/racism issues.

Why person in his/her right mind should look at person's sex/race/religion when judging product?

P.S. I am not against diversity, everyone should have equal opportunity, but people should not be forced to be engineers. This kind of messages are freaking me out recently

It's definitely the fault of my comment that nobody bothered to ask a women to be part of a panel judging products. I totally see how that's possible. (sarcasm)

Have you asked yourself why 90% of nurses are women in Norway with best gender equality programs? Why they are not forcing every other male to become nurse?

Female and male are different in some aspects of their biology, no matter what you say, they are different anyway. This difference tends to affect people choice. And 90% woman in Norway choose to be nurse.

We should strive to have an equal opportunity for everyone (race/gender doesn't matter, just equal opportunity), not push people to become what they don't want

Why die woman not invent redis themselfes? They could be in Charge of such Personal decisions then

That's unfortunate. But it's worth to note that Redis is one of the few projects to have a woman in the development core team (1 out of 5 total core team contributors: would be great to see more than that, but is already a rarity, unfortunately).

thank you for your work, man. redis is awesome

I assume the judges will look at the product without looking at the author profile, why would it matter ?

devil's advocate

what if their design is more girlish in style and men wouldnt get it?

> unlikely to be treated fairly

Discussions about biases that purely stem from modern synthetic biases merely created by social movements for the sake of recognition are an interesting topic. Bias-ception maybe?

As another reference, when I look at github contributions, I can't remember seeing 1 female.

Perhaps there is an overrepresentation of males, because there are more males that contribute/work in IT?

Eg. First page of people in .net contains 1 female and 19 males: https://github.com/orgs/dotnet/people

The exact question I was going to ask.

And I was waiting till downvotes. But even the github opensource survey mentions only 1/20 are female ( which is perfectly aligned with my example)

Too bad some people don't accept facts anymore. They should fix the root causes, eg. make coding for women more popular.

If you're a man reading this, one of the tools you have at your disposal is to pledge not to be a part of a panel comprised of only men. It can help to prompt organisers to assess their biases. Here's one example of such a pledge you could take (either privately, or publicly):

https://www.owen.org/pledge/