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Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by dgellow on Thursday April 15, 2021 @04:50AM (#26817846)
The amount of unused space is Berlin is just so massive. Even in Friedrichstraße, which is a hype neighborhood with great amount of activity, you have hundreds of square meters completely unused, with wild plants growing around and random waste accumulating.

From what I understand it is very difficult to do something with that space, either because people refuse to sell or because of bureaucratic red tape.

Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by spdionis on Thursday April 15, 2021 @04:59AM (#26817916)
Wild plants growing around in a city, the horror!
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by dgellow on Saturday April 17, 2021 @05:32AM (#26842893)
When you have wasted space in a city with massive rent increase, then yes, it's horror. The land could be easily used to create new park areas, stores, or housing units. Instead you have absolutely nothing other than waste accumulating.
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by corty on Thursday April 15, 2021 @08:30AM (#26819609)
Well, either you build over the growing plants in the city, or you raze plants in the outskirts. The former gets complaints because people want greenery in the city, the latter gets complaints because of sprawl, added traffic and unnecessary pollution.
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by southerntofu on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:12AM (#26818025)
> The amount of unused space is Berlin is just so massive.

What's wrong with that? Enjoy the little green space you have left while it lasts. Have a BBQ with friends over there, maybe? The gentrifiers/developers won't be so long to remove every last bit of green and freedom in your neighborhood, as they did everywhere else.

Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by ahoka on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:35AM (#26818226)
I think you wouldn't enjoy your BBQ in a place like this, which is I think the OP refers to: https://www.alamy.com/berlin-germany-new-buildings-and-indus...
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by southerntofu on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:36AM (#26818236)
Actually i did quite a few times! I would not recommend to live in a place like this due to high industrial pollution, but a brownfield is quite nice to have a neighborhood BBQ with some music... COVID/police concerns aside, of course.
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by dgellow on Saturday April 17, 2021 @05:31AM (#26842883)
Nobody is talking about removing the green parts. I'm talking about completely unused wasteland in active parts of the city. The space could be used to create actual parks, stores, or more housing units, but it is instead just a place where dust, wild plants, and waste accumulate.
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by jdasdf on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:17AM (#26818063)
>What's wrong with that?

...The high housing prices.

Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by southerntofu on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:31AM (#26818194)
High housing prices has to do with treating housing as a market and not as a basic human need. Prices are correlated to supply and demand, only if you take into account that the biggest landlords willingly leave apartments/buildings empty to drive up the prices (speculation).
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by yokaze on Thursday April 15, 2021 @06:05AM (#26818445)
Okay, then the lack of housing.
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by southerntofu on Thursday April 15, 2021 @06:11AM (#26818489)
If you have statistics, i'm interested, but to my knowledge there is no housing shortage in Berlin. If anything, there's more housing than ever before, it's just trapped in the hands of landlords who want to speculate on it.
Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by yokaze on Thursday April 15, 2021 @07:15AM (#26818965)
The point is, it wouldn't matter if it is trapped in the hands of landlords who want to speculate, if there is enough housing to go around, because they couldn't determine the market.

It is illegal to keep an apartment empty for more then three months. So if you are aware of any empty housing, feel free to denounce it (https://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/wohnen/zweckentfremdu...). In 2018, 1,9% of the flats in Mitte were subject to an ongoing official procedure on those grounds. The owner can simply claim, they are reforming, but I presume there are limits to that too.

How many flats are really empty is unclear.

I've read that according to the Senat,

- there is an estimated 0.8%-2% of the flats unoccupied

- down from 3.5% in 2011

- ideally, it would be between 2-3%.

The Taz is not particularly strong on keeping opinion from facts separated, but that's where I got it from: (https://taz.de/Spekulativer-Leerstand-in-Berlin/!5749397/)

Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by yokaze on Thursday April 15, 2021 @06:22AM (#26818573)
> Even in Friedrichstraße, which is a hype neighborhood with great amount of activity, you have hundreds of square meters completely unused, with wild plants growing around and random waste accumulating.

Two things: I think you put too much value to Friedrichstraße, and likely Mitte in general. It is the physical and historic city centre, but that doesn't have the same meaning as it has in other cities.

Second, in many parts in East-Berlin, you have a unclear ownership of houses and ground with competing claims. People have been disowned by the Nazis, Soviets, or by the GDR. The families have gone into diaspora and are partly spread over the world. Random people may have moved in and layed their own claim.

The ownership is unclear and spread. And it is a battle to lay claim to your _part_ of ownership. The ground is gaining worth over time. All ingredients, which do not expedite the development of land.

Re:Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court by dgellow on Saturday April 17, 2021 @05:33AM (#26842898)
I don't give special value to Fridrichstraße, it's just an example of land being wasted in a massive city with important rent issues.