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Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by sneak on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @07:52PM (#26814599)
I spoke to him on the phone within a few hours of that post, as I had already prototyped an app to do what was described.

I didn't launch mine, nor participate in his (obviously). I suggested that a business in that space, if successful, would result in a similar outcome as happened to other founders of international money transmission systems that weren't under direct government control: i.e. swatting.

He was not dissuaded, to his credit. Score one for the "founders must have grit" camp.

To be honest, I'm still not sure why the hammer hasn't come down on something like Coinbase by now. It seems that cryptocurrencies in general are the exact opposite of the regime outlined by the BSA, PATRIOT, et c. My unsubstantiated theory is that it has something to do with pmarca, but that's just a guess. The founder of Kraken has expressed his feelings that it's coming soon.

I'm glad that Coinbase has permitted so many to participate in the ecosystem, but I wonder about how much of a benefit heavily regulated, custodial wallets bring to the ecosystem as a whole. It seems to me that Bitcoin existed to replace banks, and here we have a bank serving as the Bitcoin equivalent of gmail, re-centralizing everything in a place that is easily and instantly censored by the exact system it was built to replace. The fact that they're listed on a stock exchange and not as an ERC-20 or other permissionless token tells the whole story, in my view.

I have a special respect for those who can function in heavily regulated, guilty-until-proven-innocent style markets like financial services in the USA. I personally would not be able to handle it.

Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by dd36 on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @10:37PM (#26815611)
If the last few decades tell us anything, it’s once you’re large and have a lot employees, you’re above any regulation that would put you out of business. Slaps on the wrist are the worst you can expect.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by sneak on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:32AM (#26817233)
My hunch is that it has more to do with the amount of money you've taken from prominent/powerful/connected Rich Guys than how strictly large you are or how many you employ.

There's a lot of hidden soft power in the USA amongst the ultra-wealthy, I've come to learn.

(Note that this is not a criticism specifically against Coinbase, per se; more an indictment of the lack of equal protection under the law in the USA in general. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.)

Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by alvah on Thursday April 15, 2021 @08:20AM (#26819536)
Arthur Andersen and their ~85,000 employees would like a word.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by piva00 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @10:01AM (#26820600)
After rubber stamping the squandering of California's energy market into a complete fraud of a company. I think that's a very high bar to cross, requiring damaging a lot of rich people in the process to call attention to it, to be punished.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by renewiltord on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @11:05PM (#26815793)
Backpage was pretty big when it was deep sixed by the Feds.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by dd36 on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @11:21PM (#26815885)
Did Backpage have institutional money behind it?
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by riffraff on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:35AM (#26816830)
Wirecard did.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by robocat on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @08:31PM (#26814858)
> I'm still not sure why the hammer hasn't come down on something like Coinbase by now

Perhaps you have a answered yourself: “re-centralizing everything in a place that is easily and instantly censored by the exact system it was built to replace”.

Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by sneak on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @08:55PM (#26815002)
If compromising the permissionlessness of Bitcoin is the only way for Bitcoin to come to a certain market, then perhaps it would be better for companies like Coinbase not to exist, and people who want to use Bitcoin should have to take the steps involved in self-custody.

To me, it's a shame to see. Now that Gmail and Coinbase have captured so much of their markets, they (or anyone who can coerce them) are now free to start censoring what goes in or out, turning a federated, permissionless system into effectively a dictatorship.

https://cryptobriefing.com/bitstamp-begins-track-off-exchang...

I really hope that's not what ends up happening. It's a bummer that financial services in the global west engage in such legally-mandated gatekeeping, locking billions out of the most lucrative payments markets. The internet and cryptocurrencies present a new opportunity there, and re-using the same decades old regulation to segregate the technology into the haves and have-nots is, to me, a tragedy.

Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by rawtxapp on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @11:40PM (#26815971)
The coins stored on Coinbase (and other crypto exchanges for that matter) are at all time lows, people are self-custodying their coins and using them on decentralized protocols where they don't have to trust centralized 3rd parties. Coinbase is just one player in the whole space.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by spurdoman77 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:32AM (#26816809)
Coinbase is custodying 760k BTC or so... thats more than 5% of all BTC in existence.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by FabHK on Friday April 16, 2021 @04:05AM (#26830968)
They claimed that they were holding about 11% of crypto market cap on their exchange.
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by sneak on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:36AM (#26817261)
I hope you're a) right, and b) it stays that way.

I fear that neither is true.

Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by GoblinSlayer on Thursday April 15, 2021 @10:22AM (#26820855)
>censored by the exact system it was built to replace

Bitcoin was designed to replace fiat money, it can't replace swats.

Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by st1ck on Thursday April 15, 2021 @08:30AM (#26819617)
Charlie Shrem (BitInstant) was a bit less lucky, or maybe it was "too early"?
Re:Coinbase from YC to DPO by swensel on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:20AM (#26816418)
You see no benefit to a flat system in crypto where everyone can participate equally, vs traditional finance / stock brokerages where large institutions like hedge funds automatically get a better deal vs any retail trader?