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Re:Playing the Open Source Game by paxys on Monday April 12, 2021 @09:59PM (#26787393)
The Redis example particularly stands out for me. For the longest time Redis was hailed as a shining example of open source success – small group (mostly a single developer) working on lightweight, performant, easy-to-use, free (in terms of both cost and freedom) software which beat out several goliaths in the space.

Now the biggest call to action on its official website is to sign up for a trial subscription. New features are hidden behind an enterprise version that you have to contact sales to get the price of.

Re:Playing the Open Source Game by zomglings on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:41AM (#26789253)
I remember when antirez announced that he was leaving redis in the hands of the community. Didn't expect it to take such a blatantly commercial turn, but guess it shouldn't be surprising in retrospect.

Are there any meaningful or developing alternatives to Redis that are truly free?

Re:Playing the Open Source Game by maccard on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:29AM (#26789599)
> Are there any meaningful or developing alternatives to Redis that are truly free?

And how are those alternatives to be funded?

Re:Playing the Open Source Game by zomglings on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:54AM (#26789763)
I am not claiming that there should be such an alternative, merely querying the existence of such.
Re:Playing the Open Source Game by maccard on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:05AM (#26790253)
In the same vein I'm merely querying the funding of such.

Snark aside, I'm not aware of _any_ open source projects which are developed through altruism and not backed by full time sponsors from companies. Redis is no exception. It's still available as a complete open source offering, for free. Suggesting the maintainers have compromised the project because they're looking for a method to sustain development on a project that is depended on by many many developers is unhelpful, and naive.

Re:Playing the Open Source Game by zomglings on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:15AM (#26790305)
Altruism vs. sponsorship is a false dichotomy.

sourcehut (https://sr.ht) is a good counterexample. It funds itself and is completely open source.

Anyway, I am not suggesting that the project has been compromised just because it has been commercialized. I don't do all my development in open source and don't expect anyone else to do so either.

Re:Playing the Open Source Game by maccard on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:33AM (#26790397)
> Altruism vs. sponsorship is a false dichotomy.

You've dismissed my comment without giving any backing to it. What Sourcehut are doing is the same as Redis. They provide the core product at [0], which is completely open source, and redis labs [1] provides a hosted offering with support.

It's also on a totally different scale. With all due respect to sr.ht, it's a much more niche offering than redis, with far less demands.

[0] https://redis.io/ [1] https://redislabs.com/

Re:Playing the Open Source Game by zomglings on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @07:40AM (#26790875)
The difference between sourcehut and redis is in the governance structure and in my perceived predictability of their roadmaps.

The governing committee of sourcehut is a single person - ddevault. He clearly states his motivations and intentions regarding sourcehut in his regular updates. It is easy to predict the direction in which sourcehut will be developed over the next year.

The article we are commenting on states that the governing committee of Redis consists of representatives from Redis Labs, AWS, and Alibaba. Their agendas are not as transparent as ddevault's and mark a potentially significant departure from antirez's plans for redis.

Most importantly, as a member of a team that is just setting up a redis instance, I naturally wonder what the alternatives are so that we can properly evaluate them. Because we are a small team and strapped for cash, we would prefer to evaluate free (as in freedom) options. This is what led to my original question.

Re:Playing the Open Source Game by ddevault on Thursday April 15, 2021 @09:30AM (#26820219)
Coming in late, but sr.ht also differs from RedisLabs in the sense that sr.ht is 100% FLOSS, no strings attached - and RedisLabs publishes a lot of source-available (i.e. nonfree) software.
Re:Playing the Open Source Game by nyanpasu64 on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:29AM (#26802955)
Dolphin Emulator is open-source, devoid of corporate funding to my knowledge, and does not sell premium builds to my knowledge. I don't think any of the developers can live off their work on Dolphin. However many other emulators do sell premium builds, and I'm not aware of many other open source projects that haven't sold out.
Re:Playing the Open Source Game by maccard on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @05:29AM (#26804774)
Dolphin's a great example actually, thank you! I think you're right that nobody could live off of Dolphin. I know one of the "active names" has regularly stated that it's a hobby for them. I do wonder how they fund services like https://dolphin.ci/#/ - it's got to be someones passion. But clearly, funded by altruism, a very well deserved exception to my statement.
Re:Playing the Open Source Game by elkos on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:45AM (#26789711)
Free beer != Free speech
Re:Playing the Open Source Game by maccard on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:01AM (#26790221)
The comment I replied clearly indicated they weren't happy with the commercial turn of Redis after antirez left. Redis is still free as in speech (and also, beer).
Re:Playing the Open Source Game by elkos on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:59AM (#26790583)
I do stand corrected
Re:Playing the Open Source Game by maccard on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @07:16AM (#26790708)
Appreciated, upvoted you for being so understanding. It's easy to lose context in these threads often!