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Re:How People Get Rich Now by bumby on Monday April 12, 2021 @06:02PM (#26785730)
While you're not wrong, I think what you're missing is an important qualifier. Sometimes they are creating perceived value that doesn't materialize. Meaning the value is at least part speculation, rather than realized value.

E.g., did Broadcast.com really create nearly $6B in value just because that's what it was speculatively valued at when purchased? I'd argue no, unless you think the "greater fool theory" is the correct way to measure value rather than intrinsic worth.

Re:How People Get Rich Now by WalterBright on Monday April 12, 2021 @06:14PM (#26785839)
If you've got a superpower that enables you to determine the "real" value of something rather than its "perceived" value, you can use it to become the richest man in the world.
Re:How People Get Rich Now by bumby on Monday April 12, 2021 @06:17PM (#26785867)
Intrinsic value can be measured, albeit imperfectly. Equity, as an example, is measuring real assets as opposed to some pie-in-the-sky assumption of future worth built on a foundation of hopes and dreams. Value investors have in fact gotten rich this way for a long time.
Re:How People Get Rich Now by WalterBright on Monday April 12, 2021 @07:30PM (#26786439)
> Intrinsic value can be measured

No, it can't. It can only be guessed at. Everybody knows that "book" value isn't terribly reliable.

> Value investors have in fact gotten rich

Here's a simple test for your theory. You're sure you're right. If so, you have invested in "undervalued" stocks and gotten rich. If you haven't invested based on your theory, are you sure you're right?

As for me, I invest my money where my mouth is.

Re:How People Get Rich Now by bumby on Monday April 12, 2021 @07:35PM (#26786478)
I have actually invested a substantial (for me) portion this way. It’s performed better on both an absolute and risk-adjusted basis than either the additional speculative growth or index strategies I’ve employed.

I’d also avoid absolute terms like “everybody”, “always”, etc. because they’re easily falsifiable

Re:How People Get Rich Now by WalterBright on Monday April 12, 2021 @07:41PM (#26786518)
You're way up on others if you actually invest in your theories. Congratulations!

But I do suggest caution. A strategy that works for 3 years may not play out well over 10, 20, 30 years.

Yeah, I know I wrote "everybody knows". I meant "it is generally known".

Re:How People Get Rich Now by bumby on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:07PM (#26786654)
I appreciate the advice. While I’ve only been investing this way for about 11-12 years, back testing has been statistically valid to the early 2000s (limited by the availability of index funds for comparison). You’re right though, who knows if it’ll work in 30 years. There’s some evidence that it may based on trends in institutional investing. That enough uncertainty to avoid putting all my eggs in that basket.
Re:How People Get Rich Now by WalterBright on Monday April 12, 2021 @09:43PM (#26787298)
> early 2000s

I got hammered really hard by the 2000 crash. Down something like 75%. I thought I was smart by not investing in bubble stocks. But the secondary die-off caught me. It was a bitter pill.

Re:How People Get Rich Now by bumby on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:21AM (#26793461)
It’s certainly possible something similar can happen to me. Part of this is mitigated, I think, by the fact that the overall volatility is reduced. That’s one of the pitfalls I’ve seen in contrast to the growth plays not based on intrinsic value. I think it’s the main reason the risk-adjusted returns are better but time will tell. Black swan events always seem obvious only in hindsight.