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Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by publicola1990 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @01:49PM (#26772090)
In general though flying is much safer than highway driving. If one wanted to minimize risk, one would always fly.
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by js2 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @10:07PM (#26775498)
The difference in relative risk is high, but the absolute risk of dying in a car is still pretty low if you're sober, wearing a seatbelt, and not speeding. Oh, and apparently if you're not driving in the U.S. Geez, didn't realize we're such crappy drivers here.

https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.ht...

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by ziml77 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @11:57PM (#26775945)
It's really easy to get a license in the US and cops focus on looking for speeders over other forms of dangerous driving.
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by AnthonyMouse on Monday April 12, 2021 @02:09AM (#26776444)
It's mostly not that people in the US drive worse, it's that people in the US drive more. Similar risk multiplied by more miles leads to more fatalities.
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by bildung on Monday April 12, 2021 @02:24AM (#26776516)
Sadly that isn't the case: The actual fatalities and accidents per billion km driven is higher in the US than many other industrialized countries, so it's not about more km/miles being driven in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by AnthonyMouse on Monday April 12, 2021 @03:15PM (#26783794)
In terms of fatalities per billion km the US is between Belgium and New Zealand. Not really up there with Somalia.

And the ranking there is kind of misleading because the types of countries that collect fatalities per unit distance at all are the ones that tend to do really well on it. We don't have the data for Russia or China but guesstimating based on accidents per 100k vehicles, it's bad.

Whereas e.g. Germany does really well. But fatalities per unit distance for the US isn't even twice the number in Germany, whereas in terms of fatalities per 100k population, the US is 335% of Germany. Consistent with the bulk of the difference being explained in terms of more miles traveled.

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by Guthur on Monday April 12, 2021 @02:43AM (#26776605)
Are they also reluctant to wear seat belts?
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by bildung on Monday April 12, 2021 @03:37AM (#26776849)
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by hansvm on Monday April 12, 2021 @11:06AM (#26780195)
I'd be curious to know what exactly makes the difference so pronounced.

My pet theory is that people don't know how dangerous their actions are _and_ feel entitled to break laws they deem useless. About 4 times out of 5 when somebody nearly hits me blowing through a stop sign and crosswalk they'll stop and apologize profusely, indicating they probably didn't intend to put me in harm's way. That's not a huge dataset though (at most a few times per week), and it doesn't say anything about tailgating or other forms of dangerous driving.

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by martin8412 on Monday April 12, 2021 @05:00AM (#26777283)
Several things will need to change for that number to be lower. Licenses needs to be much more difficult to obtain, and a lot easier to lose. There are things allowed on American roads that could cost you your license in countries with lower numbers. Cars should have higher safety standards.

Basically a lot of people wouldn't be able to drive anymore.

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by lovasoa on Sunday April 11, 2021 @04:55PM (#26773337)
Flying is actually much more dangerous than driving. The risk is to destroy the environment that sustains life on earth. This does not even compare with the risk of a car or plane accident.
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by GuB-42 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @06:12PM (#26773950)
If you are alone in your car, flying and driving are in the same ballpark when it comes to emissions.

Trains are much, much lower. Especially considering that in France, most lines are electrified and 70% of production is nuclear.

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by varajelle on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:02PM (#26773399)
I believe it might be better for the environnement to share a full plane than be alone in your car, for equal distances.
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by jeromegv on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:11PM (#26773478)
Quotation needed. All studies show the impact of flying as being much higher than driving, even when shared.
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by varajelle on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:54PM (#26773811)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_avia...

> in 2018, CO2 emissions averaged 88 grams of CO2 per revenue passenger per km.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_tran...

> In Europe, the European Commission enforced that from 2015 all new cars registered shall not emit more than an average of 0.130 kg of CO2 per kilometre (kg CO2/km). The target is that by 2021 the average emissions for all new cars is 0.095 kg of CO2 per kilometre.

0.088 < 0.095

That said, the 88 grams figure might not be accurate for short flights. But we'd still be in the same order of magnitude as a car

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by antman on Sunday April 11, 2021 @08:59PM (#26775116)
If also air distance calculated as the crow flies vs actual car km the numbers will be more air travel favirable
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by lovasoa on Sunday April 11, 2021 @08:09PM (#26774787)
I think you are comparing unrelated things. The average car ride is thousands of times shorter than the average flight, and transports more than one person. You cannot just compare the average emissions of cars and planes and make the conclusion that it makes sense to choose a plane over a car to reduce your carbon footprint.

And even when you make this comparison with sensible data, the car still wins: https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by lumost on Sunday April 11, 2021 @09:06PM (#26775150)
when comparing driving to flying between destinations, it's highly likely that the flight will have a shorter duration.

The big wrinkle in this comparison is that planes burn most of their energy in the ascent to cruising speed/altitude. Energy consumption per mile is likely to be much higher on a short hop flight where cruising altitude is never reached than a 12 hour transoceanic flight.

Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by asdfasgasdgasdg on Sunday April 11, 2021 @09:25PM (#26775272)
On the other hand short-haul flights don't climb to as high of altitudes. They only climb about 2/3rds as high. But then again the air is thicker so cruising is less efficient. Oh gosh, for want of data.
Re:French lawmakers approve a ban on short domestic flights by jrockway on Monday April 12, 2021 @01:16AM (#26776259)
You have to assume that airlines have chosen a decent compromise here. Every wasted joule of energy translates to a higher fuel cost and a lower profit margin.