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Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by grumpyautist on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:00AM (#26769385)
What makes your product unique or better than GIMP?
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by nickjj on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:29AM (#26769529)
IMO it's general usability.

For example a very common thing you might want to do is add text (or any other layer) on top of an image and then center that text / layer either vertically or horizontally relative to the image.

In Photopea you create a text layer and then drag it near the middle and it'll show you guidelines when you're close and then snap into the perfect center (either vertically, horizontally or both). It takes like 2 seconds and feels intuitive.

In GIMP you have to make sure you switch to the alignment tool which is hidden by default so you need to remember to hit Q to activate it or hover over the move tool and select it but if you hit Q you better make sure you're not in any text input because it'll insert "Q" instead of switching your tool, but since you're adding text chances are you will be so you need to remember to click away. Then you need make sure you click an active area of your text layer and click the align horizontal icon, then you need to click the align vertical icon. Then if you decide you want to change your text you have to repeat this whole process again.

Another example is adding a simple stroke (line) around some text or other layer effects that Photoshop has had for over 10+ years.

In Photopea, you open up layer styles, pick the stroke option and can tweak the colors and thickness very quickly. After applying the style you can change and move around your text and the styles are applied to it automatically, it feels intuitive to use.

In GIMP I spent an hour researching plugins to add this behavior and after picking one it technically works but the user experience is pretty hostile. It creates the stroke as a separate layer so you can't move your text and the stroke together unless you remember to link them, and if you decide to change your text content or size you have to delete the old stroke layer and make a new one.

GIMP is really good in terms of what it can do but using it feels like death by a thousand paper cuts because you need to do so many steps to accomplish what feels like basic things that other editors have had for years when it comes to user friendly features.

I understand creating a highly polished image editor isn't easy and honestly if I knew their code base I would open a PR for the snap to center guidelines but at this point I have to imagine if they wanted to add that feature it would have been added. From the outside it feels like it hasn't been added because they don't want that feature, but as an end user that makes me wonder why. It's such a useful thing.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by grumpyautist on Sunday April 11, 2021 @10:39AM (#26770632)
That's not how to align text on gimp. The text tool has an alignment feature. It aligns the text within the text box

Outlining text is easy too. true, there isn't a magic text outline button, you must use the same method you would use to outline any arbitrary object.

The sum of your complaints are because you know how to do it in PS. I am a professional graphics designer and artist and I use gimp exclusively.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by cameronh90 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @10:49AM (#26770689)
What's the point of asking if you're just going to dismiss the answers?

I used to use The GIMP exclusively, but I jumped to Photoshop when I could afford it, due to GIMP's poor UX and adjustment layers (which have been "coming soon" with GEGL since 2008).

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by dwild on Sunday April 11, 2021 @01:15PM (#26771848)
> The sum of your complaints are because you know how to do it in PS.

Or PS is just more intuitive than GIMP.

> I am a professional graphics designer

Once you are using a tool professionally, I guess that intuitiveness is no longer a selling point. It is though for someone that only use it from time to time...

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by nickjj on Sunday April 11, 2021 @11:07AM (#26770811)
> That's not how to align text on gimp. The text tool has an alignment feature. It aligns the text within the text box

I'm talking about horizontally or vertically aligning a layer relative to the image, not the text within the rectangle bounding box of the text input box when you have the text tool activated.

It's such a common use case to want to take a layer (whether or not it's text isn't important) and center it horizontally or vertically relative to the entire image or another object.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by grumpyautist on Sunday April 11, 2021 @11:11AM (#26770832)
So, you draw the text box in the size and position you need? All of these "features" sound like training wheels for graphic designers. It's not hard whatsoever to accomplish, and assuredly not worth paying monthly for. If you know in general how to edit graphics the tool you use is irrelevant
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by nickjj on Sunday April 11, 2021 @11:25AM (#26770916)
> So, you draw the text box in the size and position you need?

I'm not sure what you mean.

If you have a 1000 x 1000 image I'd like to put the text "Hello" exactly in the middle of the image, both vertically and horizontally and let the tool determine the exact bounding box of the text input based on how much text I have.

> All of these "features" sound like training wheels for graphic designers.

In GIMP I described the workflow how to do that using the alignment tool. I also described for comparison how to do it in Photopea because it only involves dragging the layer near where it should be and it auto-snaps to perfect center with guidelines that appear when you're close.

This isn't a training wheels feature because both casual and professional graphic designers aren't eyeballing a pixel perfection alignment every time without thinking, but Photopea gives you this outcome with the least amount of effort you can ask for and its accuracy is 100%.

> It's not hard whatsoever to accomplish, and assuredly not worth paying monthly for.

There's a difference between hard and convenient. Executing a checklist of steps isn't hard but it sure is inconvenient if I need to do that every time I want to align something. It's the difference between something having a good / intuitive UI vs not.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by tgsovlerkhgsel on Sunday April 11, 2021 @08:10AM (#26769742)
My standard example for "GIMP is unusable" is "try to draw a straight line" which I had to find a tutorial for (you need to hold some magic keys). That said, I struggled with that in Photopea too (not realizing my intended red line was there, just hidden by the blue vector indicator).
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by grumpyautist on Sunday April 11, 2021 @10:40AM (#26770634)
Hold shift? It's not hard
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by Pimpus on Sunday April 11, 2021 @11:18AM (#26770882)
This kind of attitude in OSS is exactly why GIMP is a piece of garbage that no one uses.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by easrng on Sunday April 11, 2021 @02:36PM (#26772412)
I get that but hold shift for constraints is standard in almost every editor out there. (Not sure about Photoshop, it has weird behaviors for modifier keys.) Also, I find GIMP more intuitive for some things. For example, making solid-color backgrounds transparent is very easy in GIMP but as far as I can tell impossible in Photoshop.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by tgsovlerkhgsel on Sunday April 11, 2021 @03:32PM (#26772789)
I'm not talking about constraining a line to a 90 degree angle. I'm talking about "draw a single straight line from one point to another". Most editors have a dedicated tool for that. In Gimp, you take the brush, then shift-click start and end.

How do you do the solid color background in Gimp? In Photoshop, I'd select the background with the magic wand (contiguous or non-contiguous, depending on preference), potentially use one of those edge-improving tools, then either press delete or create a mask. It apparently also has a special tool for it that I haven't used before but seems to do basically that.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by easrng on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:15PM (#26773514)
Oh, OK. Regarding the background: That works, and you do the same thing in GIMP but that doesn't handle transparency. In GIMP there's the Color to Alpha tool which is pretty much magic.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by easrng on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:21PM (#26773563)
Say you have https://this.is-a-professional-domain.com/4Hhtqcf.jpg and you want that glow on a transparent background. In GIMP, I'd select the chip, Select>Invert, Color>Color to Alpha and it would just work. I tried to do it in Photoshop and couldn't figure it out.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by IvanK_net on Sunday April 11, 2021 @06:36PM (#26774128)
BTW. I added Color to Alpha into Photopea: Filter - More - Color to Alpha. Works 100% same as in Gimp :)
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by jfrunyon on Friday April 16, 2021 @01:47AM (#26830000)
Meanwhile, this kind of attitude in users is exactly why everyone is stuck with dumbed-down, more complex/more buggy, less powerful solutions. The more information is available at people's fingertips, the less people are willing to take a few seconds to discover it.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by canada_dry on Sunday April 11, 2021 @04:59PM (#26773379)
Gimp has made some usability improvements, but I agree it is still painful to use.

When Blender finally bit-the-bullet and overhauled their UI - in a way that more aligned itself with how other keys/clicks worked in similar tools - it totally relaunched itself and is now so much easier to use.

It would be great it Gimp (and inkscape) did a similar overhaul IMHO.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by tgsovlerkhgsel on Sunday April 11, 2021 @08:04AM (#26769704)
It works on any machine, including Chromebooks, without installation.

I also find it more user friendly (unlike GIMP where I constantly feel like I'm fighting the bad UX instead of actually doing what I came to do), especially if you're used to Photoshop.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by himujjal on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:09AM (#26769430)
better than a software that doesnt do what users want it to do? a lot of things. Why dont you go and try Photopea. It has achieved so much what Gimp couldnt. Yes, its made for business and its closed source. But considering the number of devs and the number of years spent, Photopea is an excellent replacement for photoshop. I have personally used it for most of the small image editing I needed.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by CynicusRex on Sunday April 11, 2021 @08:03AM (#26769700)
Since I come from Photoshop, GIMP always has a way of pissing me off by doing something unexpected or making something trivial needlessly complicated.

While I congratulate its developers for not using ads and making it free, it remains a pain to use sometimes. I mainly use it for cropping, resizing, and image blurring, but for anything else I use Photopea.

That being said, if I took the time to properly learn to utilize GIMP through tutorials, as I did with Photoshop back in the day, I wouldn't be surprised if my opinion does a 180.

Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by shoto_io on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:08AM (#26769420)
Have you looked at it? For me at least, GIMP never worked really stable on my Mac.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by Black101 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:29AM (#26769530)
The Filter menu looks a bit funky to me (edit: in Firefox 87): https://i.imgur.com/S70o2eU.png ... probably one of my addons messing with it but I don't have that problem in GIMP.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by IvanK_net on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:42AM (#26769596)
Your browser is probably too old, or you use some "exotic" browser extensions
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by Black101 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @01:41PM (#26772028)
Whatever the reason is, it is not working right and Gimp is, for me.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by nguyenkien on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:09AM (#26769431)
You don't need to install it. It's huge plus for me
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by matsemann on Sunday April 11, 2021 @07:20AM (#26769475)
The UX. At least for me familiar with PS that just needs to do quick edits it's very nice.
Re:AMA: Ivan Kutskir, creator of Photopea by dmje on Sunday April 11, 2021 @10:40AM (#26770633)
This. The toolbars / tools are basically where PhotoShops' are so you don't have to think terribly hard if you're used to them