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Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:10PM (#26762517)
Taken to it's conclusion, the world becomes a pretty scary place when things are determined by just what is "fair". At the end of the day the author's argument boils down to "Google is very rich, I'm not, I should be able to sidestep their demands for payment on their service." Given an exactly equivalent analogy, if you put your house up on AirBnB would anyone be surprised if AirBnB cracks down on people paying outside their platform and instead guiding renters to a separate "donation page"?
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by coding123 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:22PM (#26762616)
Let's make the world more fair first before locking everyone into the play store or the apple store. With the airbnb analogy, people are also free to list their vacation house on reddit, craigslist or just tell people about it and as long as they have a method to take payment - that just works.

Let's simplify. Let's say I sell lemonade. It's 100% legit with USDA approval or whatever BUT I'm having trouble selling it. Grocery stores are happy with their own brand but maybe I'm lucky enough to get 1 Wholefoods to set up a counter. I can see the analogy of whole foods requiring me to not sell while in their store. However whole foods does NOT require me to white label. And they would not require me to change my website to not have alternative buying choices. In fact I do this all the time with foods I find in Wholefoods - I go to the website of foods I love and see if I can buy directly in bulk.

This is the CORRECT analogy. It's not correct to say that everyone is going into Safeway and stealing shit off the shelves. The OP should know that, and you should know that.

Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by themacguffinman on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:51PM (#26762870)
> With the airbnb analogy, people are also free to list their vacation house on reddit, craigslist or just tell people about it and as long as they have a method to take payment - that just works.

And on Android, developers are free to list their apps on F-Droid, Amazon Appstore or just let people download & install it from their own website. Unlike iOS, the Play Store is not mandatory.

> However whole foods does NOT require me to white label. (...) And they would not require me to change my website to not have alternative buying choices.

Grocery stores can and do ask anything they want of suppliers. Trader Joe's buys many products from suppliers like PepsiCo under a white labelling agreement. Walmart will fully dictate the packaging and pricing of your product (eg. demanding that Vlasic sell a Walmart-exclusive $2.97 gallon jar of pickles). Don't like their terms? Tough luck, it's their store.

I'm not saying that the grocery store analogy is a good one but it clearly works against your point. Actually I've only seen it mentioned to support dictatorial app stores.

Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by anoncake on Saturday April 10, 2021 @02:36PM (#26763819)
> And on Android, developers are free to list their apps on F-Droid, Amazon Appstore or just let people download & install it from their own website. Unlike iOS, the Play Store is not mandatory.

In practice, it is. Only the Play Store can update apps in the background.

Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:07PM (#26763054)
I can't downvote you because you're a direct response, but please don't do this:

> Downvotes are not replying so I'm assuming they are just pissed that my logic checks out.

It breaks the site guidelines [1].

[1] Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by coding123 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:11PM (#26763087)
Thank you, noted and removed.
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Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by jonnycomputer on Saturday April 10, 2021 @03:04PM (#26764084)
Its Orwellian how discussion of how broken something is is not allowed. So, now I'll just down vote everyone for the hell of it. There.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by spoonjim on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:29PM (#26762676)
Trader Joe’s, on the other hand, does require almost everyone to white label.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by kentonv on Saturday April 10, 2021 @02:16PM (#26763645)
Trader Joe's customers can and do shop at other stores as well. Whereas people don't realistically carry more than one phone or switch phone types frequently.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by coding123 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:34PM (#26762713)
Trader Joes has what, 1% of the market share of shoppers? Android and iPhone have what, 99%?
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by AuthorizedCust on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:03PM (#26763008)
How is 1% market share relevant? If that policy is justified, then market share is irrelevant.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by coding123 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:23PM (#26763194)
... because a seller literally has 99% of the market to go after instead because they don't have a policy like that?
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by tshaddox on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:40PM (#26762776)
Android and iPhone definitely cannot each have 99% of the market.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by coding123 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:01PM (#26762987)
Going back to the grocery store analogy... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supermarket_chains_in_...

While at least 50% of the random grocery stores you would see are under one of the big 5 (or so) many of these stores are generally able to carry additional products not even necessarily approved by the top. Part of that is simply competition with local chains. And that doesn't even cover the fact that you have gobs of local and regional chains to contact and sell goods to.

But basically as a seller of lemonade you are highly likely to be able to sell your product without insane restrictions - as well have the ability to choose a chain or store that has competitive markup or a markup that you agree with.

If you sell phone applications you are dealing with exactly 2 entities that you HAVE to go through.

Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by Osiris on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:43PM (#26762797)
Combined, not each.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by anoncake on Saturday April 10, 2021 @02:37PM (#26763829)
Android apps and iPhone apps are different markets.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by colejohnson66 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @07:00PM (#26766054)
If you can just define a market to whatever you want, then everyone has a 100% market share. By your definition, Samsung has a 100% market share on Samsung TVs.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by anoncake on Sunday April 11, 2021 @04:56AM (#26768696)
No, because you can substitute a different manufacturer's TV for a Samsung one and vice versa.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by kentonv on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:46PM (#26762821)
No one is arguing we should abandon rule of law for some abstract notion of "fairness". We're having a public debate about whether this behavior is fair. If we decide it isn't, then the next step is legislation to correct the problem (or Google doing so voluntarily). No one is going to directly enforce an ambiguous notion of fairness on Google.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by mitchdoogle on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:03PM (#26763005)
It surprises me when anyone defends these companies. I mean, come on, they really don't need your help. It's like cheering for the Empire in Star Wars, because they are "well within their rights to build a planet size spaceship with capabilities of destroying planets"
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by root_axis on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:16PM (#26763124)
This is a really tortured analogy. Google isn't building a doomsday weapon, it's a mobile app distribution platform for what is almost entirely composed of trivial time-wasters. Believe it or not, some people base their reasoning on principles rather than the topic of discussion's perceived reputation.
Re:Donation page "not compliant with Google Play Policies" by solosoyokaze on Saturday April 10, 2021 @12:26PM (#26762641)
As a consumer or developer, your interests are aligned with the author's. Unless you work for Google, you'd be better off fighting policies like this.