News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by bradleyjg on Saturday April 10, 2021 @10:31AM (#26761730)
I’ve been reading these Dilbert rants for twenty five years. I probably made some of them on slashdot.

We as an industry tried the all engineers thing and it didn’t work.

Have you considered the possibility that the boss’ bosses have a point? That the intelligent people you once respected have been convinced rather than intimidated?

Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by tremon on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:34PM (#26763282)
Have you considered the possibility that the boss’ bosses have a point?

It's the organization that shapes the individual, not the other way around. Changing a cog in an existing gear system only works if the cog is of a particular shape, and it will get chafed and dented if not sufficiently so. If the cog is too different, it will break and be replaced again.

Occam's razor says that if many different people fail within the same organizational structure, the problem is not with those people.

Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by AlexCoventry on Monday April 12, 2021 @10:45PM (#26787609)
That's just begging the question, though, since the comment you replied to was essentially asking whether the promoted SEs are actually unthinking cogs, vs people who've been convinced by their new perspective.
Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by tremon on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:01AM (#26791583)
But my point was that that's a false dichotomy: where is the option that they were thinking cogs that found themselves unable to change the shape of the gear system around them?
Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by pdimitar on Saturday April 10, 2021 @10:56AM (#26761917)
I would be ashamed to call myself a thinking human if I never considered it.

And as said in other comments, for some companies and businesses they are right indeed.

But not in programming / IT in general. At least not where I worked (and where many of my former colleagues worked).

It's all optimizing for short-term and never the long-term. And I have seen people playing the long game gaining a lot so I also know I am not imagining it.

Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by kansface on Saturday April 10, 2021 @11:47AM (#26762328)
Predictability in the short term has a definite business value in and of itself, regardless if it makes development slower - or perhaps, a value to management. Certainly the degree matters.
Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by pdimitar on Saturday April 10, 2021 @03:01PM (#26764062)
You know, I am actually VERY okay with short-term thinking but not when it's 100% of all decision making.

Make it 75% short-term objective and give the other 25% to longer-term planning and/or simply playing with ideas and I'll be very happy to work in such a place.

I am not a fanatic -- and most programmers are actually quite understanding (if a bit too timid sometimes) people.

We just want the pendulum to not be on one of the sides 100% of the time. That's it really.

Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by didibus on Saturday April 10, 2021 @01:39PM (#26763328)
> We as an industry tried the all engineers thing and it didn’t work

Example of when this was tried?

Re:Everyone is still terrible at creating software at scale by bradleyjg on Saturday April 10, 2021 @02:19PM (#26763671)