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Re:Facebook Down? by grensley on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:36PM (#26744064)
How on earth does EVERYTHING go down like this? It just seems unfathomable to me. Where is the single point of failure?
Re:Facebook Down? by lovedswain on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:48PM (#26744233)
The global outage drinking game:

bad DNS config push - 1 shot

routing loop - 2 shots

third party advertising your routes - 3 shots

power outage at data centre it turns out everything depends on despite decades and millions in engineering to avoid precisely that - 4 shots

Wolves ate through fiber - 5 shots

And it was a full moon - 6 shots

Single service failure, but service has not been restarted in 5 years, and no longer restarts in any documented fashion - 7 shots

And service developers left the company to found a startup - 8 shots

Expired internal SSL certificate - 9 shots

Daylight savings changeover-induced database corruption - 10 shots

Windows Update - 11 shots

Re:Facebook Down? by erik_seaberg on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:35PM (#26744652)
5 is often broken down to “rain fade” and “backhoe fade.”

My favorite can’t-restart story is “the shared password manager is down, we need a hardware crypto key to restart it, the key is in the safe, and the safe’s combination was in the shared password manager.”

Re:Facebook Down? by spondyl on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:45PM (#26744741)
I was going to link a related comment but you're actually the author of it!

Here it is anyway: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22316230

Re:Facebook Down? by reaperducer on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:43PM (#26744722)
Coincidentally, I'm in the same predicament with Facebook, itself.

I can't log in to Facebook because Facebook wants approval from the Duo Mobile 2FA app. The 2FA app won't approve the login because it wants a code that can only be obtained by logging in to Facebook.

Solution: Deleted both Duo Mobile and Facebook apps. Moved on with my life.

Re:Facebook Down? by dylan604 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:51PM (#26744793)
isn't that like throwin the baby out with the bath water? i've never had problems with duo mobile, but then i don't use FB so i've never seen how it behaves with FB. so dump FB, but why dump duo mobile?
Re:Facebook Down? by reaperducer on Friday April 09, 2021 @11:58AM (#26752215)
Because the only thing I used it for was to login to Facebook. All of my other 2FA is through other methods.
Re:Facebook Down? by lovedswain on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:36PM (#26744671)
In a similar vein, the alternative option for 7 was a cyclical dependency introduced since last restart
Re:Facebook Down? by erik_seaberg on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:46PM (#26744754)
I heard a story that Google SRE had to up a sacrificial Bigtable in any new zone before they could up enough services to finally up a real Bigtable for the zone.
Re:Facebook Down? by neura on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:48PM (#26744774)
Please, please tell me this is a true story. It's amazing.
Re:Facebook Down? by erik_seaberg on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:39PM (#26745522)
I can only verify being unable to get the wi-fi password. Otherwise it’s all secondhand, I wasn’t on call.
Re:Facebook Down? by ASalazarMX on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:58PM (#26744347)
> Wolves ate through fiber - 5 shots

I hope it's wolves, that would create a new category in https://cybersquirrel1.com/

Re:Facebook Down? by partcyborg on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:09PM (#26744446)
You forgot:

Hunter shot your fiber relay with a hunting rifle - 6 shots

Re:Facebook Down? by michaelt on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:30PM (#26744623)
6 shots? It only needed one.
Re:Facebook Down? by neura on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:50PM (#26744787)
depends on the gun... some people have interesting ideas on hunting.
Re:Facebook Down? by godelmachine on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:14PM (#26744486)
DST can be such a hassle. It affects our reports and change requests.
Re:Facebook Down? by erik_seaberg on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:37PM (#26744676)
An adtech company once freaked out over a sudden 4% revenue drop, until someone pointed out that yesterday was 4% shorter than the day before.
Re:Facebook Down? by alfalfasprout on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:36PM (#26744665)
Don't forget cosmic rays!
Re:Facebook Down? by nabla9 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:09PM (#26744449)
Apple decided to shut down Facebook.
Re:Facebook Down? by cure on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:40PM (#26744120)
Probably DNS. It's always DNS ;)
Re:Facebook Down? by jonny_eh on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:53PM (#26744289)
or BGP, or auth.
Re:Facebook Down? by nonameiguess on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:49PM (#26744246)
Large scale network partitioning can happen. Data center ingress/egress can go down. If you shard to multiple data centers, it's still possible for an entire autonomous system to have an interconnect with a different AS break. That is rare as hell with the actual Internet because of all the route redundancy even between ASes, but I've seen it happen on more specialized networks. For a few days last year, the entire western half of the US was cutoff from the eastern half on Raytheon's internal TS network because someone digging a hole somewhere accidentally cut the wrong fiber line.
Re:Facebook Down? by jscheel on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:40PM (#26744114)
DNS (not necessarily this case, but man it can bring things down fast)
Re:Facebook Down? by rogerdickey on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:46PM (#26744212)
How does it stay up as much as it does :)
Re:Facebook Down? by korethr on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:19PM (#26744541)
"And if these people stop, the world burns. Most people don't even know what sysadmins do, but trust me, if they all took a lunch break at the same time they wouldn't make it to the deli before you ran out of bullets protecting your canned goods from roving bands of mutants."[1]

1. https://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks

Re:Facebook Down? by fishnchips on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:55PM (#26744311)
Blood, sweat, tears and caffeine.
Re:Facebook Down? by kazen44 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:09PM (#26744444)
also, some arcane shell script written by a retired engineer somewhere in the early start of the company.
Re:Facebook Down? by tyingq on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:55PM (#26744314)
I'll be curious about it coming back up. It's the sort of site where there's an army of people continually trying to reload the page if something isn't working.
Re:Facebook Down? by chaos_emergent on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:40PM (#26744112)
Probably an intern doing something dumb.
Re:Facebook Down? by vesinisa on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:48PM (#26744234)
If an intern can bring down the whole presence of your company online it's not the intern who is dumb.
Re:Facebook Down? by dividedbyzero on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:02PM (#26744382)
While that's perfectly true, I'm sure a smart and determined intern could cause an astonishing amount of damage in many many orgs. Hopefully not at Facebook though.
Re:Facebook Down? by sleepydog on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:22PM (#26744573)
The difference is whether or not it was intentional. If someone can bring everything down accidentally, the system is broken.

Ditto if they can bring it down intentionally and cover their tracks so no one finds out who did it.

Re:Facebook Down? by abhishekbasu on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:00PM (#26744364)
some startups would like to disagree
Re:Facebook Down? by jimmy2020 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:50PM (#26744262)
bingo
Re:Facebook Down? by mateo411 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:45PM (#26744189)
The dumb thing would be giving the intern permission to bring down the whole site.
Re:Facebook Down? by MattGaiser on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:56PM (#26744317)
An intern shouldn't have those permissions.