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Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by Kalium on Thursday April 08, 2021 @03:43PM (#26742877)
That's a good idea! What do you think would convince hardware vendors to match a reference device?
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by dylan604 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:18PM (#26743240)
A large number of sales of said device. That's pretty much what drives any manufacturer.
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by kortilla on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:35PM (#26744045)
In consumer space it’s probably 1 sale for every 100 Windows. If you’re constrained on engineering resources guess which one you won’t care about ?
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by zaat on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:01PM (#26745273)
1 to 100 in the consumer space seems to me extremely optimistic, not sure if I'm betting that it's a 2 or 3 orders of magnitude miss.
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by yissp on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:46PM (#26745569)
I know it's not representative of the consumer space as a whole, but Linux users apparently make up about 1% of the Steam userbase fwiw https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Li...
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by sdenton4 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:07PM (#26745723)
Yeah, but that 1% can choose either the Linux reference hardware or keep buying some other random laptop and throwing Linux on it.

So, the market is really rather less than that 1%...

Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by zaat on Friday April 09, 2021 @04:38PM (#26755833)
Well, since Steam is the only gaming platform available on Linux, and since Steam is sold as a system based on linux with its own Linux distribution, SteamOS, and since Steam have its own version of Wine that magically runs Windows games on Linux, I would say that this statistic says nothing at all.
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by addicted on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:20PM (#26743255)
It would be difficult to get the mainstream vendors to match this initially, but I suspect the Linux focused vendors like Pine and System76 would do so fairly rapidly.

The way to convince the mainstream vendors would be what's attracting them to release Linux support right now. The popularity of Linux devices for people who want to work on the same machines they run their servers on.

Like I said though, I'm not sure whether this idea is workable or even makes sense.

Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by remexre on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:35PM (#26743431)
I mean, Pine's and System76's laptops don't even use the same CPU architecture as each other currently...
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by jlg23 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:39PM (#26744094)
Some certification of genericity required for all future device purchases by publicly funded institutions, for example.
Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by takeda on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:49PM (#26744241)
That's what Microsoft did. Initially there were a lot of issues and also things like hibernation didn't always work right.

Linux needs to have similar certification. The rest would be to have customers look for it and prefer hardware that's certified.

Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by zaat on Thursday April 08, 2021 @07:59PM (#26745255)
You mean something like this:

https://certification.ubuntu.com/make/Lenovo

Or this:

https://support.lenovo.com/il/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-fo...

It's all really very nice, but even on certified machines, some hardware parts are not working on Linux (X1 fingerprint reader, for example).

Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by takeda on Saturday April 10, 2021 @03:47AM (#26759746)
> It's all really very nice, but even on certified machines, some hardware parts are not working on Linux (X1 fingerprint reader, for example).

But then I guess they aren't really doing their job when certifying things that don't work.

Re:Ask HN: Why is the Linux community struggling to implemen... by zsmi on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:27PM (#26745440)
HW vendors that want to race to the bottom, sure.

But if I want to differentiate, commanding a higher price, then I'll probably be different.