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Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by PeterisP on Thursday April 08, 2021 @11:32AM (#26740072)
What would count as "get someone to take it more serious" ?

She has a prolonged non-life-threatening condition with no known treatment. There's no tests to run or nothing more to diagnose, that's apparently done already. There's no drugs or procedures prescribed because, as far as I know, there are no drugs or procedures known to be effective for that. And that (looking seriously at her issue and giving a serious answer "do nothing") is a reasonable end state for diagnosis - it sucks, it's less common nowadays than it used to be, but it still happens.

That's it, the next step is acceptance, not continuing to seek soomeone to "take it more serious" - and if acceptance isn't working and is causing distress that's causing further problems, then indeed the next step is psychological help or pharmaceutical help for the psychological issues. Perhaps a few years later (not sooner) there will be treatment for that issue, so when (if!) that happens, then it would be a different discussion, but until that IMHO it's dangerous to encourage people to keep looking, as it can only lead to various snake-oil charlatans who'll make false promises. If the system would deny her some test or treatment that's likely to help, then it would be justified to seek attention and have someone take the complaint seriously and do the thing that needs to be done, but it doesn't seem to be the case here.

I'm sorry as this does sound like a dismissal, but if there are suggestions about what the system should do differently in this case, I'd be glad to hear, perhaps there can be a better way to go about this, but I'm all out of ideas.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by y-c-o-m-b on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:51PM (#26741720)
I can't speak to covid because I've never had it, but "take it more serious" can be applied to large swaths of valid medical issues in which doctors brush off as "it's just in your head". In my own case, they quickly jump to the conclusion of stress/anxiety/hysteria without ever asking about my history or my life and without doing any kind of lab work or imaging diagnostics to rule out the medical issues. That is dangerous and thousands of people actually do go untreated for chronic illnesses like MS, Parkinson's, SLE, etc. every year because their providers do not take complaints as serious medical concerns. IMO PCPs are not in a position to adequately diagnose mental issues (especially in a 15 min appointment); that's why we have psychologists. Yet they throw around diagnosis of mental illness like they throw around opiates.

It's an issue of perception and condescending attitudes by medical professionals that is the real problem. If I were a medical professional, I would at the very least acknowledge the problems as genuine physical symptoms and do my best to re-assure the patient that it's being researched by the scientific community so a treatment might be possible in the future.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by prennert on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:00PM (#26741811)
She has asked to be referred to a COVID specialist group, since there are a few good research hospitals around. Her GP did not do that, but instead prescribed antidepressants.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by jariel on Thursday April 08, 2021 @12:00PM (#26740390)
"I'm sorry as this does sound like a dismissal, but if there are suggestions about what the system should do differently in this case, I'"

Yes, it's completely inappropriate to say 'just take these weird, possibly life-long systems and deal with it'.

'The answer' is obviously to adjust our policies given the fact that 'a lot of people are having symptoms off-the-record'. Meaning possibly aggressive push for vaccines among youth, and factoring this into 'opening up schedules' etc..

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by PeterisP on Thursday April 08, 2021 @12:20PM (#26740642)
The vaccine policies are important, but not relevant to her case - she already had Covid, and a vaccine would not help her in any way.

The parent post and my response was about "the system" not taking her seriously, about the people where the damage was already done - are there any policy adjustments that would be useful for people like that? For people who now do have these weird, persistent, possibly life-long conditions, is there any better option than "dealing with it"? Denial helps noone, and can be quite harmful.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by sangnoir on Thursday April 08, 2021 @12:36PM (#26740841)
> The vaccine policies are important, but not relevant to her case - she already had Covid, and a vaccine would not help her in any way

There've been reports that people suffering from long-COVID have seen improvements after getting the vaccine.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by e40 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:33PM (#26742141)
I don't know why this is being downvoted. I've read it, too.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by sangnoir on Thursday April 08, 2021 @11:56PM (#26746524)
HN votes by how "truthy" something sounds - things can get really random the further the subject is from software/tech. Confirmation bias is a bitch.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by abduhl on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:34PM (#26741544)
Then she should get the vaccine. In fact, the CDC says she should: "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19."

What additional actions should be taken by the medical system or the political system at this point for a (supposed) disease that has no known treatment or even any understood cause?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by sangnoir on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:36PM (#26743461)