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Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by robbmorganf on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @11:20AM (#26726189)
Have a source? That seems like an awesome way to recycle grocery bags.
Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by supernova87a on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @01:11PM (#26727759)
Water is also a good protector. And the polyethylene is actually a proxy for "hydrogen atoms". The reason is that dense hydrogen has a lot of protons to interact with the incoming radiation.

But unfortunately plastic bags are not dense polyethylene. You would kind of need full blocks of solid polyethylene...

Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by teachtwolearn on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:41PM (#26730945)
You can make solid polyethylene out of plastic bags by pressing them in a mold heated to ~100-150C.

But it's quite flammable, so you might not want to use it as a building material.

Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by tyingq on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @11:31AM (#26726342)
The peer comment posted a source that has lots of references.

Though most of them are tests in space, where I assume the thickness requirements would rule out grocery bags. I am curious how thick a layer of HDPE you would need on earth to make any notable difference.

Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by ortusdux on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @12:33PM (#26727264)
That linked nature paper seems to indicate 10g/cm^2 for a 50% reduction. A standard shopping bag is about 5g, so you would need roughly 20k bags/m^2, or ~2k bags/ft^2. At 0.9g/cm^3, that would be roughly 11cm of solid polyethylene
Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by robbmorganf on Saturday April 17, 2021 @12:13AM (#26841528)
I just squished a plastic bag as much as I could, and got it down to an inch cubed. So if I hypothetically did that for 2000 bags in 1ft^2 (sorry for English units), I think that would mean it could be 13-14in thick. So maybe it is reasonable to attenuate radiation by about 50% in a rather generous drop ceiling?
Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by tyingq on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:57PM (#26731141)
Ah, so bags are out, as is practically the ceiling. But cut sheet HDPE is easy to find, so tiles atop your machine would be relatively cheap and easy.
Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by pezezin on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:48AM (#26736526)
I work for a particle accelerator, and I can confirm you that our beam dump uses polyethylene for neutron shielding: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092037961...
Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by 1-6 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @11:22AM (#26726221)
Re:Cosmic rays causing 30k network malfunctions in Japan eac... by wyldfire on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @11:48AM (#26726630)
Doesn't sound like that solution is plenum-rated.