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Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by bluefirebrand on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @10:05AM (#26725147)
Canada has some of the strictest environmental protection policies in the world. I'd rather see mines open up in Canada than countries with terrible environmental practices and long histories of human rights abuses. Obviously not talking about Greenland here, but let's put it this way: If all of the responsible and ethical countries refuse to extract resources at all anymore, where are resources going to come from?

It's not like demand for metals and oil just goes away because we refuse to dig them up.

Edit - also seriously, you live in one of the safest, most progressive countries in the world and you dismiss it as a collection of mining companies? If that's all Canada was it would be strip mined to bedrock and everyone would live in labour camps. Have some perspective.

Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by HideousKojima on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @10:18AM (#26725306)
Similar to how opposition to logging in the US led to an increase in lumber being supplied from countries that don't care about protecting the environment at all. So sure, the Spotted Owl has been protected, but it may be at the cost of the Sumatran Tiger.
Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by bluefirebrand on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @10:21AM (#26725357)
Not to mention all of the fossil fuels burned to ship lumber overseas instead of cross-country...
Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by fallingfrog on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @01:20PM (#26727860)
It’s easy to restrict imports of that kind of wood.
Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by klyrs on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @12:29PM (#26727213)
> Canada has some of the strictest environmental protection policies in the world.

And yet, the fed bought the Keystone XL pipeline for $7B more than it was worth in order to bypass those "strict" environmental (and indigenous) protection policies. While I don't agree with the grandparent's assessment, it's not that wrong. It describes the middle provinces pretty well, and if you generalize to "resource extraction", you pick up BC (lumber, fish) and the Maritimes (fish). And we're home to quite a few mining companies like GoldCorp whose operations are largely foreign, but have a big impact on policy through lobbying.

Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by bluefirebrand on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @01:25PM (#26727952)
> And yet, the fed bought the Keystone XL pipeline for $7B more than it was worth in order to bypass those "strict" environmental (and indigenous) protection policies

This doesn't remotely represent what actually happened with the Keystone XL.

First of all, the government paid $4.5B for it, which makes it literally impossible for them to have overpaid by $7B.

They also haven't bypassed anything in the process. They were deemed to have not done due diligence in consulting native tribes and re-opened consultations which took about a year to resolve before they could start building.

Canada is a huge landmass with a relatively tiny population. We cannot compete on the global scale in terms of population productivity. Our economic edge is our natural resources. How else do you suggest we make money to pay for our healthcare and all of the other social services we've come to expect?

We have what the world needs. IMO we can either dig it up and export it or expect wars to be fought here for control of it.

Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by klyrs on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:44PM (#26733118)
> First of all, the government paid $4.5B for it, which makes it literally impossible for them to have overpaid by $7B.

On one hand, I stand corrected on the cash paid. On the other hand, you're wrong, its actual market value may be negative, so the strongest criticism is that I pulled the -2.5B real valuation out of my butt.

And yeah, they're tied up in court because their attempt to steamroll the first nations and skirt environmental regulations is probably illegal, but we'll see what the courts say.

And no, the world doesn't need more oil. Nor does the world need oldgrowth lumber, nor does the world need unsustainably caught fish. We need to stop tapping new wells, leave that shit in the ground, to prevent climate disasters. We need to transition to managed forest products. There's no easy solutions on fish. We probably just need to eat less of it (and yeah, that's going to be difficult for me too)

Re:Left-wing party opposed to rare earth mining project wins... by DC1350 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @01:13PM (#26727793)
> one of the safest, most progressive countries in the world and you dismiss it as a collection of mining companies?

Throw in real estate and oil and that pretty much covers it. Canada doesn’t have a very bright future.