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Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by trident5000 on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:51PM (#26706706)
Right, it also serves to remove that person from society as they are a threat to others. When you kill someone, it stops being about you and your "rehabilitation" and more about other people.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by HarryHirsch on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:00PM (#26706783)
When you kill someone, it stops being about you and your "rehabilitation" and more about other people.

That's not correct, and tells something about your preconception. I was told by someone who had been to prison that those doing time for murder or manslaughter are considered less dangerous, they killed their target and that was that. The ones in there for GBH, those are the ones you have to look out for, they have low impulse control and low intelligence and are basically incorrigible.

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by Djvacto on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:17PM (#26706909)
GBH == Grievous Bodily Harm, for anyone else who didn't know before.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by trident5000 on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:05PM (#26706828)
I'm not sure if I take this comment seriously and answer it to be honest.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by HarryHirsch on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:18PM (#26707274)
The comment was meant extremely seriously. It's the old conflict of intent versus outcomes. A murderer certainly intended to kill his target, but such a person isn't necessarily volatile or dangerous. But an impulsive person may well kill a person or three even though he didn't intend to. What's worse, and what should society do about it?
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by ddingus on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:53PM (#26707492)
I would, if I were you. Seriously.

From a policy POV, the comment is entirely serious and rational, appropriate.

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Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by implements on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @07:42AM (#26710681)
> ... they gave up their right to live ...

You’re stating a moral axiom, one that is widely and increasingly rejected in civilised countries.

Assuming you mean “capital punishment for intentional murderers” then how do you defend this? A murderer kills to satisfy some need, you appear to wish to death on someone to satisfy some need of your own ie “justice”, even presumably when you aren’t personally victimised by their crime.

It seems capital punishment creates at least two evils - an unnecessary taking of human life, and the encouragement of sadistic ideation in the general population.

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by gher-shyu3i on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @08:27AM (#26710950)
Don't give me this "civilized countries" false dichotomy. It's not only condescending, but wrong.

Taking a life can be a necessary evil. In "civilized countries" as how you put it, the next of kin has the choice on whether to forgive the killer or take blood money, or have him executed by the court. This is for one on one incidents. For other cases, such as serial rapists or serial killers, the decision is 100% in the hands of the court, as it is way bigger than a single interaction.

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by implements on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @10:30AM (#26712192)
Taking a life can be necessary to protect one’s life or the life of others, but that isn’t the case in capital punishment as someone in custody is no longer a mortal threat to society.

Regarding civilised or not, perhaps this might be of interest:

https://goodessaysblog.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/capital-puni...

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by gher-shyu3i on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:45PM (#26714139)
As typical of many of these writers, he's clearly showing his bias when looking at the world (namely, from a secular Western sense). The fact that it is failing in the current secular societies does not mean that it is ineffective in other societies, or that it is in itself bad. We don't have the problems he listed in Islam for example.

> but that isn’t the case in capital punishment as someone in custody is no longer a mortal threat to society.

It's not just about being a threat, it's about justice.

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by LocalH on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:14PM (#26717461)
And what do you do if a person is falsely accused?
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by gher-shyu3i on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:29PM (#26717628)
Under Islamic rules, suspicion would fend off the Hadd punishment: https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/17/2.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by nkrisc on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @08:50AM (#26711133)
Then the life of the executioner must be taken as well. Unless of course, there is an exception granted, in which case the taking of a life isn’t necessarily grounds for execution, so there is no absolute truth to the matter and it is open for interpretation. It is not as simple as you make it sound.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by gher-shyu3i on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @02:24PM (#26715466)
No it's quite silly to talk in absolutes like that. The rule is that it is permitted to take life for justice. No one said that taking any life for any reason means that another life must be forfeit. The Quran is very clear on this: https://quran.com/17/33
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by nkrisc on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:37PM (#26745863)
Well my book says differently so yours is wrong.