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Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by ctdonath on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:40AM (#26699620)
I don’t see this as a problem, so long as the poor get richer too. The obsession with “wealth inequality” is jealousy when refusing to acknowledge how much better the poor have it than ever. As the article notes, much of what we take for granted as baseline today (vaccines, HVAC, lights, rapid transport, etc) were simply not available to even the extremely rich until recently.

I contend many rich are rich precisely because they improved life for so many poor. Earn $1 for improving life for each person on the planet and you reap billion$ - that’s fair & laudable.

Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by harimau777 on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:54AM (#26699828)
There's a couple of problems with it:

- In many of the most important areas, e.g. home ownership and choice of career, the poor in America have gotten poorer.

- Due to America's lack of campaign finance reform, extreme wealth allows the rich to buy off the government.

- Even if the poor get somewhat richer, that doesn't mean they got as much richer as they would in a more equitable system.

- Inequality becomes a problem if the rich control so much of a resource (e.g. housing) that there is not enough available for the poor.

- Inequality creates a power imbalance which can allow the rich to abuse the poor and/or make them unaccountable to society.

Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by ctdonath on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:05AM (#26699984)
You confirm my point.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by tenebrisalietum on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:28PM (#26701082)
If trust-fund babies can coast through life without working, and those are taking over everything, when the poor still have to put in 12 hour days to live, even if they have it better than the past--that's not jealousy, that's simply asking why does person X have to work so hard when person Y doesn't under a system that supposedly claims all men are created equal.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by throwaway98797 on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:32PM (#26701937)
all men are created equal under the law.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by jjeaff on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:13PM (#26703287)
Except we know having money gives you enormous advantage under the law. So we either have to fix the law or fix some of the inequality.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by guerrilla on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:56AM (#26699863)
It's a big problem for one simple reason: inequality of power and freedom increases. At some point you lose democracy entirely.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by kiliantics on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:50AM (#26699783)
The rich do not achieve anything on their own. They do so by employing a lot of labour and natural resources. And we know for a fact that the rich have disproportionate influence on regulation of labour practices and resources, skewing it drastically in their favour.

If we all worked together to make the world better, why should only a few benefit so much?

Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by ctdonath on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:09AM (#26700037)
If you improve the lives of others (including by creating employment and reasonably leveraging resources), fair reward to reap a fraction of that improvement. Improve lives of billions, reap billion$.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by mijamo on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:19AM (#26700175)
That would be true if income was proportional to your added value to blowback wellbeing. I would welcome a citation on that but to me it does not seem like that would hold at all. The greatest minds of the past centuries and the ones who contributed to the progress you are talking about were not billionaires, and for some of them were even quite poor. Your wealth depends on what you can extract from the market and what you can extract from the past wealth of your family.

If I inherit 1 billion dollar and place it in the SP 500 I will increase my wealth progressively compared to basically everybody, but my productivity is 0. The state could have taxed my inheritance 100% and done a similar investment with the same effect to the economy except inequality would be lower instead of higher.

Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by kiliantics on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @02:02PM (#26715206)
The "fraction" of the reward that the investor/owner/manager receives compared to the person doing the actual work has become outrageously high though. And the destruction of natural resources has gotten ever cheaper/less penalised and its effects foisted on the world's poor with no recompense.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by KozmoNau7 on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:49AM (#26699773)
However we are not covering the basic needs of the poor. People are still dying of hunger, exposure and disease.

We have more than enough collective wealth and resources to solve those issues, by securing housing, food and healthcare for everyone. Yet we choose not to, because it isn't profitable enough for those who already have plenty.

The "not even medieval lords had access to HVAC" argument ignores that the baseline changes as society evolves. And a lot of people in first world countries still don't have access to the things you mentioned. That is an absolute travesty.

Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by ctdonath on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:17AM (#26700144)
Pedantic. That not literally everyone lives at a given baseline doesn’t disqualify fact that we’ve raised 90% of everyone from under to over that baseline in a few decades.
Re:How do we know the history of extreme poverty? (2019) by KozmoNau7 on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:11PM (#26703270)
People in the richest nations in the history of humanity are starving, homeless and without access to healthcare.

What does that say about those who have more wealth than they could spend in several lifetimes?