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Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by tgv on Sunday April 04, 2021 @03:57AM (#26687675)
I can't help thinking that Scott Alexander has no clue what he's talking about, or more more benevolently, is writing quasi-poetic nonsense. Which is bad for someone with that many followers.

I can give another off-the-cuff alternative: sleep deprivation reduces self-awareness, and thus self-report of depressed feelings. It might be that at this point the "brain" is more susceptible to treatment, but that's an entirely different matter.

Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by coldtea on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:11AM (#26690049)
>I can't help thinking that Scott Alexander has no clue what he's talking about, or more more benevolently, is writing quasi-poetic nonsense. Which is bad for someone with that many followers.

Note how you haven't pointed to a single thing that's bad with his post, but nonetheless managed to sling several condescending accusations (has no clue, quasi-poetic, nonsense) at him...

And all that for a point where he doesn't even pretend to give any specific explanation or causual relationship or anything, just wants recap with a description of the outward appeareance of the phenomenon, precisely to show that we have no clue about it yet:

"It looks like sleep is somehow renewing these people's depressions. As if depression is caused by some injury during sleep, heals part of the way during an average day (or all the way during an extra-long day of sleep deprivation) and then the same injury gets re-inflicted during sleep the next night".

In TFA this is not an explanation of what happens, but an "it looks as if somehow" to highlight exactly the current lack of an explanation, an explicitly presented as such.

Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by mckirk on Sunday April 04, 2021 @05:11AM (#26687983)
He's a psychiatrist and generally researches everything he writes about quite thoroughly, so I'd be surprised if he had no clue what he's talking about in this case.
Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by bawolff on Sunday April 04, 2021 @06:12AM (#26688194)
If you're going to say someone is talking nonsense, maybe back it up with specific reasons how and why. (Not necccesarily saying he isn't, just without specifics we might as well just be calling people names)
Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by taklamundak on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:20AM (#26749075)
Good job
Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by DyslexicAtheist on Sunday April 04, 2021 @07:11AM (#26688489)
fwiw I've used it on and off as a last resort and it saved my life.

The first few times I happened to do it was not because I was aware of the link (20 years ago nobody wrote about it). It was by accident because I've stayed up so late that dawn surprised me during a night of insomnia. So it made more sense to just power through the day with coffee rather than mess up my sleep pattern. It certainly works for me like some kind of reset.

Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by hellbannedguy on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:33AM (#26689708)
I knew a Psyc. nurse years ago, and she said they prevent certain depressed patients from sleeping. I knew her 17 years ago, and she was a nurse since the 80’s.

She said it was for the patients whom were brought in because they just tried to kill themself’s, or told admittance they wanted to die.

I had the idiotic idea I could cure my dysthymia (Minor depression) by sleep deprivation, and it didn’t work at all.

Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by herbst on Sunday April 04, 2021 @06:22AM (#26688231)
I dont know this guy. But his idea definitly works for me. The effect lasts longer than a day so i would argue its not the sleep deprevation itself
Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by webmaven on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:55AM (#26689921)
> I dont know this guy. But his idea definitly works for me. The effect lasts longer than a day so i would argue its not the sleep deprevation itself

It is generally accepted that the negative effects of sleep deprivation last longer than a day too. If you are sleep deprived you can't 'catch up' by sleeping in for a night or two (for example on the weekend).

Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by starpilot on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:18AM (#26689589)
Scott's explanation at least makes sense with a causal chain of reasoning. "Self-awareness" is more a philosophical concept that has no psychiatric meaning, sort of like like "fairness" in economics. "It's all placebo here!" sounds lazy and like a cheap shot.
Re:Staying awake to treat depression (2018) by Smithalicious on Sunday April 04, 2021 @09:26AM (#26689227)
Scott is a practicing psychiatrist (now with his own clinic!) and is very well-read on depression specifically