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Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by chrisseaton on Saturday April 03, 2021 @04:27PM (#26684432)
Collision avoidance, speed limiting, adaptive speed limiting, adaptive headlights, lane keeping, blind-spot warning, ISO-FIX anchors, far stronger pillars, reversing cameras, lane exit monitors, SOS buttons and GPS reporting, far more air bags, door-cyclist collision warnings, seat-belt pre-tensioning, some have pre-collision suspension raising, etc, etc, etc.

I just went from a 2009 Land Rover to a 2020 Land Rover, so almost exactly 10 years, and one of the the main reasons I did it was safety features. They weren't standard on my model before and they are now. It's night and day.

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by mattlondon on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:35PM (#26684939)
Also things like eCall (1) that became mandatory a couple of years ago without much fanfare: Fully automatic call/report to emergency services in a serious accident.

I think passive safety of modern cars has significantly improved too - they periodically up the ante on what it takes to get full scores in EuroNCAP for instance (2). A "top rating" car from 10 years ago would probably now be scarily-bad compared to the latest requirements that new models ace.

1 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall

2 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by dzhiurgis on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:14PM (#26684804)
How do you people leave out ESC - it saved my life at least once or twice and it’s obvious how well they work.

What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow. Take the gas pedal of and you’re going off roading. With normal car you’d struggle to even trigger ESC, let alone loose it.

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by xedeon on Sunday April 04, 2021 @03:45AM (#26687627)
> What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow.

Where did you get this info from? This is contrary from everything that I've heard from my local Tesla owners group. To the point that they don't even have to swap to snow tires during winter.

Some video examples:

[1] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=203

[2] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=272

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSokMC3fncs

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by dzhiurgis on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:16AM (#26696171)
Have a look this guy videos - collected from crashed Teslas - https://mobile.twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1359639313424...

There’s more than one and obviously we don’t know the state of tyres, but even with bald ones seems any car with ESC should handle such manoeuvre...

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by sokoloff on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:28PM (#26684897)
My 2005 Honda has ESC (Honda calls it VSA-Vehicle Stability Assist) so it’s probably similar to ABS in these conversations: widely present and not a last 10-years’ addition. I think Toyota had it on all passenger models since 2004.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by waiseristy on Saturday April 03, 2021 @04:41PM (#26684535)
Don't forget TPMS! Probably one of the best safety-to-dollar-spent advancements in the last *13 years
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by sokoloff on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:18PM (#26684839)
That was federally mandated in fall of 2007.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by mrfusion on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:00PM (#26684684)
Interesting. What makes you say that?
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by chrisseaton on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:01PM (#26684695)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_contro...

"271 fatalities and over eight hundred injuries in the United States with more injuries and fatalities occurring internationally" and would have been detected by a TPMS which costs a few dollars.

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by alisonkisk on Saturday April 03, 2021 @07:11PM (#26685568)
A few dollars times tens of millions of cars.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by throwawayboise on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:13PM (#26684795)
Blowing out an underinflated tire at high speed is probably a reasonably common cause of accidents.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by mrfusion on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:16PM (#26684821)
Does being under inflated increase the risk? I always figured it was debris or just worn out tires?
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by sokoloff on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:21PM (#26684854)
Underinflation adds to sidewall flexing which increases the heating and wear on the tire, which increases the risk. A few psi isn’t the issue, but seriously under-inflated tires are a safety issue for traction and blowout risks.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by hellbannedguy on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:51PM (#26685066)
I have heard horror stories about the mechanical/electrical reliability of Range Rovers.

The number one complain has been the powertrain. I know the automatic transmission is the weak spot in most vehicles, but I have heard of complete failures before 100k.

Could you give your evaluation of the vehicle?

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by cbozeman on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:00PM (#26685125)
There's an Australian expression, "If you want to go into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to get out of the bush, take a Land Cruiser."
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by chrisseaton on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:16PM (#26685230)
Your special forces still use Land Rovers on operations!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_SOTG_patrol_Oc...

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by cbozeman on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:21PM (#26685268)
Negative, Ghost Rider. American spec ops prefer, and often use, Toyota Land Cruisers and HILUXs, for the very reason behind the Australian proverb! :)
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by chrisseaton on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:24PM (#26685285)
> Negative, Ghost Rider

Australian, not American.

And I've literally seen it for myself, and I just also linked a photo of them doing it!

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by cbozeman on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:56PM (#26685475)
> Your special forces still use Land Rovers on operations!

I'm not Australian!

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by chrisseaton on Saturday April 03, 2021 @07:32PM (#26685680)
The context was their use in Australia though.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by chrisseaton on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:08PM (#26685172)
Not a Range Rover, sorry, a Defender.

I wouldn't own anything else to be honest. I've always driven one, and I also work professionally with a fleet of them and I don't have any problems at all. My last personal one never needed any work at all over ten years. Even if they were unreliable, if it's the kind of form factor you're after I don't think anything really challenges them on the market.

I think they're also a uniquely egalitarian vehicle - if you see someone driving a Land Rover it could be a farmer, a teenager in their first car, a parent doing the school run, an Army unit on exercise, a professional footballer, literally the Queen, or anything in between. You can drive the same car to the rubbish dump and to Royal Ascot and it looks completely appropriate in both cases! I don't think there's any other vehicle even remotely like that.