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Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by fulafel on Saturday April 03, 2021 @03:14PM (#26683843)
They are so close to 100% efficiency that the possible gains are modest.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by sbeller on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:02PM (#26685143)
Look at it the other way round: they could reduce losses from 6% to 4%, which lead further savings in needing less cooling tech.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by pappn on Sunday April 04, 2021 @03:10AM (#26687507)
Note that the impressing 9x% efficiency rates that we hear about are peak efficiency rates. There is something to gain in widening the operating ranges of this efficiency also. See for instance https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Efficiency-maps-of-sever...
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by aaronblohowiak on Saturday April 03, 2021 @03:25PM (#26683937)
what is the cost of the motor vs the cost of the input materials? what % of the cost of a vehicle is the cost of the electric motor? My understanding (however limited here) is that car-worthy motors are still priced at a bit of a premium to their input materials, but it doesnt really matter because overall they are still not that expensive compared to batteries.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by elihu on Sunday April 04, 2021 @01:43AM (#26687169)
Yeah, some motors have rare-earth permanent magnets which are expensive. Induction motors don't, they just have a weird squirrel-cage structure made of (I guess) copper. Probably the manufacturing inputs for an induction motor are cheap, but the motors are a bit inefficient.

I'm currently doing a conversion that uses a Netgain Hyper9 [1]. They cost about four and a half thousand dollars (including controller) and they're pretty bulky and heavy. They're really efficient though. An OEM manufacturer I'm sure could have a motor made much more cheaply and design it to run at a much higher voltage and produce correspondingly more power. I think the Hyper9 just uses magnetized iron or something like that for the permanent magnets. No rare-earths, so it might be pretty cheap to make something like that in volume. They serve the conversion market though, so it's kind of niche product. I have no idea what Nissan spends to make something like a Leaf motor.

[1] https://www.go-ev.com/motors-warp.html#HyPer_9HV