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Re:Having children is not life-affirming: it’s immoral (2017) by rayiner on Thursday April 01, 2021 @05:55PM (#26666627)
I’m trying to take the article seriously on my own terms, but it seems to me to fall short even then. It mentions that people suffer, and that non-existence may be preferable to suffering. Even insofar as that’s true, don’t people also experience happiness and joy, and isn’t that preferable to non-existence? Why ignore one side of the equation. Surely it’s the net balance that matters?

In polling, most people around the world rate themselves as “happy” or “very happy.” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-30629478. In Africa, a poor continent where many people experience suffering, 83% of people rate themselves as happy or very happy. The simplest things in life, including having children and forming families, makes people happy, regardless of the suffering that might also be a part of their life.

Re:Having children is not life-affirming: it’s immoral (2017) by Noumenon72 on Thursday April 01, 2021 @06:08PM (#26666799)
Does that mean sleep is a bad thing, because it cuts off so much more happiness and joy than suffering? As important to eliminate sleep as death? I'd rather sleep forever and never know happiness than stay awake and ever feel pain. It just doesn't matter what you forgo if you aren't around to miss it.
Re:Having children is not life-affirming: it’s immoral (2017) by mcphage on Thursday April 01, 2021 @09:32PM (#26668298)
> Does that mean sleep is a bad thing, because it cuts off so much more happiness and joy than suffering?

If you cut down on your sleeping too much, it'll make the rest of your life less joy-filled and more full of suffering.

Re:Having children is not life-affirming: it’s immoral (2017) by naniwaduni on Thursday April 01, 2021 @09:38PM (#26668320)
Well, it does turn out that (maybe ~half of) depressed people tend to feel better when sleep-deprived!
Re:Having children is not life-affirming: it’s immoral (2017) by Noumenon72 on Saturday April 03, 2021 @04:24PM (#26684412)
I've read that the longer someone with depression stays awake, the less depressed they are. If you can keep them awake for 48-72 hours, their depression will disappear, only to re-emerge after they sleep.

https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/sleep-is-the-mate-of-d...

Re:Having children is not life-affirming: it’s immoral (2017) by jancsika on Thursday April 01, 2021 @06:30PM (#26667056)
> Even insofar as that’s true, don’t people also experience happiness and joy, and isn’t that preferable to non-existence?

Unless you're implying an argument from personal incredulity, it seems the quote in the 2nd paragraph of the article fully answers this question.