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Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by alexgmcm on Thursday April 01, 2021 @04:06AM (#26657808)
If they do then why don't they share it?

I mean they must realise this is a pretty unpopular decision so why not share their justification.

Otherwise it's just an appeal to authority - "Ours not to reason why.."

Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by Gustomaximus on Thursday April 01, 2021 @05:01AM (#26658152)
> If they do then why don't they share it?

Sometimes its easier not to share. In a perfect world we'd be more transparent. If its an popular decision, discussion potentially fans the flames of disagreement and ill will. E.g. People take some small point of the rationale and blow it out of proportion for why this is bad etc, why it isn't relevant to them without seeing a bigger picture etc. I think we've all seen this. Sometimes its simpler and more efficient to say less.

Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by newswasboring on Thursday April 01, 2021 @06:17AM (#26658593)
Thats a charitable interpretation. But how do we distinguish when this is the reason and when the reason is "there is no data"? Why am I the only one who has to trust the upper management on their decision but they can look into mine and change it at any time they wish?
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by kristianc on Thursday April 01, 2021 @09:02AM (#26659931)
> Sometimes its easier not to share.

I don't agree with this premise. It's quite easy to share "we have data that suggests that this is the case", even if you don't divulge fully what that data is.

A decision where it's clear that some analysis has gone into it (even if you disagree with the outcome) is always going to be more accepted than a decision that seems completely arbitrary / driven by politics.

It seems that developers / ICs are asked to justify everything they do with data - making decisions from the gut is the privilege of the executive.

Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by rightbyte on Thursday April 01, 2021 @06:34AM (#26658697)
Having an open minded discussion sparks debates, yes.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by gipp on Thursday April 01, 2021 @09:13AM (#26660061)
It's not "pretty unpopular", a large majority of employees strongly want to come back to the office at least part time. And this headline is ridiculously misleading, they committed to letting people work remotely till September ages ago, and that hasn't changed. The only thing that happened was they finally put a timeline on when people can come back voluntarily.

And there is quite a bit of data on it, most of which is widely shared internally.

Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by tomerv on Thursday April 01, 2021 @02:53PM (#26664596)
Yes, many employees want to come to the office part time. But Google says they will need to come to the office (almost) all the time. How many people want that?
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by darawk on Thursday April 01, 2021 @04:07AM (#26657816)
I don't know, but I think it's reasonable to assume that their primary concern is productivity, and that at a company like Google, that concern will be analyzed in a data driven way. Perhaps they don't want to insult their developers by implying their productivity dipped, or something.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by eertami on Thursday April 01, 2021 @04:21AM (#26657905)
Google doesn't make decisions based on data. Google makes decisions based on what gets someone a promotion.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by darawk on Thursday April 01, 2021 @04:54AM (#26658104)
What's the logic here? Why would the executive who made this decision get a promotion for this?
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by nojito on Thursday April 01, 2021 @08:14AM (#26659480)
Nonsense. You don't get promoted for what you did. You get promoted for what you will do.

Everyone who has made it up the ladder knows this and it's the single aspect that differentiates people who routinely get overlooked for promotions from the individuals who steadily rise through the ranks

Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by raducu on Thursday April 01, 2021 @04:33AM (#26657982)
No, no, their primary concern is their own interest.

A lot of politics gets much harder in remote work, and this is what these people are best at.

It's not productivity, it's politics that is much harder to do when remote working.

Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by darawk on Thursday April 01, 2021 @04:53AM (#26658098)
You think that executives are forcing developers to come into the office so that they can play politics with their subordinates?
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by TeMPOraL on Thursday April 01, 2021 @05:38AM (#26658359)
They don't play politics with their subordinates, they play politics with their peers and their superiors. Developers are "human resources" - resources are there to be exploited, not catered for.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by darawk on Thursday April 01, 2021 @01:50PM (#26663831)
That's my point, hence the parent's explanation doesn't make sense.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by raducu on Friday April 02, 2021 @12:21PM (#26672830)
They mostly play politics with their peers, they need on site presence for that.

They also need to keep an eye on developers and need to feel thigs out, the relationship, their management status known and so forth.

That's very hard to do remotely and they feel their status diminished to that of the "resources" they manage.

Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by muxator on Thursday April 01, 2021 @05:40AM (#26658367)
Probably yes
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by layoutIfNeeded on Thursday April 01, 2021 @06:00PM (#26666708)
Yes.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by TigeriusKirk on Thursday April 01, 2021 @08:26AM (#26659564)
Yes.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by yellowapple on Thursday April 01, 2021 @04:18AM (#26657885)
Google doesn't strike me as the kind of place that'd care about whether or not its developers feel insulted.
Re:Google is accelerating reopening of offices and putting l... by adwn on Thursday April 01, 2021 @07:48AM (#26659254)
> I think it's reasonable to assume that their primary concern is productivity, and that at a company like Google, that concern will be analyzed in a data driven way

That assumption has been thoroughly refuted by Google's reaction to James Damore's internal memo.