News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by seneca on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:08PM (#26636346)
Disagreed. Authenticity is incompatible with Anonymity. All the surveillance companies would love to tell you you can authenticate your identity with them and be anonymous elsewhere, but they, and Governments, are the exact entities we should be hiding out identities from.

People need to be trained to be skeptical of voices online.

Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by kleer001 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:16PM (#26636472)
I agree with your main point.

> People need to be trained

But, hmmm, I don't think a call for education is a solution. That's basically whack-a-mole. Stupid people are born every minute, there's no stopping stupid. Better to put bumpers on them and keep the rest of us safe.

Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by freebuju on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @02:43PM (#26638583)
You'll be surprised how far misinformation goes. Even among the non-stupid (smart?) people. Some form of Internet literacy needs to be done. We'll be fighting some of it very soon with deepfakes made by AI, and we are still not prepared for that.
Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by kleer001 on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:19PM (#26649172)
> You'll be surprised how far misinformation goes.

Not a whit.

It's been a hobby horse of mine for the last two decades. From Mk Ultra to Potempkin Villages to Contemporary Psyops, propaganda has provided nearly limitless dark entertainment for me. In fact I've sculpted my own aphorism:

"Intelligence has the ability to construct reasonable sounding reasons for anything." It might have been pithier in an earlier iteration, but that's the gist.

In the end education is expensive and there's no end run around that. In the end there's no algorithm for the truth and there's no end run around that either.

Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by seneca on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:16PM (#26650041)
I again find myself in agreement with you. As someone who has thought about this for some time, what's your take on what we actually ought to do about it? Is it simply intractable? Is it that from Odysseus to Bernays, the cunning will always fool the fool?
Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by kleer001 on Thursday April 01, 2021 @12:06PM (#26662322)
What I think should be done:

Less free stuff. Free online stuff does not feed quality. Money is the tie that binds. And free stuff binds us to advertisers. Youtube, twitter, facebook, etc, all go to paid tiers and registered accounts.

Eradicate the widespread use of comments. I hate to sound like an old, but go back to established gatekeepers for commentary like well educated editors at newspapers and magazines. Everyone doesn't need a publishing platform.

If that sounds class-ist I guess it kinda is, in a way. Everyone will still have access, but not everyone needs a voice because the structure to support that is corrosive as we've seen.

What I think is possible:

Like everything we learn mostly by making mistakes. Eventually we'll bang our heads against enough walls to find our way out.

In a generation or two people will discount online speech. Already the youngs are discounting facebook.

There will always be bullying, in person or online. There will always be fraud, in person or online. "Education" isn't a magic wand to sprinkle smart dust over the population. Again, even smart people make fundamental and sometimes existential mistakes.

The best we can do is make it harder for those shitty things to happen by performing tourniquets to the flow of free channels that feed online malignant cancer.

Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by kleer001 on Friday April 02, 2021 @10:05PM (#26677873)
What's your take on what we should do to thwart what can be thwarted?
Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by seneca on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:25PM (#26636643)
As much as the idealists in me would like to, I can't disagree. How do you go about achieving that in a democratic society though?

Misinformation is like a virus, and it spreads through a population easiest when they accept and share it. All that takes is for it to confirm some preconceived idea or to flatter them. Critical thinking, or at least base line skepticism, seems like the only inoculation.

You're not wrong that that may be too much to expect from people though.

Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by darkerside on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:12PM (#26636402)
Blockchain?
Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by colejohnson66 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:40PM (#26636849)
Assuming this is a genuine comment and not a troll, how would a blockchain solve authenticity? Never mind the fact that we already do have a way to verify authenticity in the form of digital signatures. The problem is: how do you know the signature signer is who they claim they are? The best solution we have to that is the “web of trust” and “key signing parties”[0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party

Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by rtkwe on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @01:12PM (#26637317)
If it's cheap enough for everyone to access it's cheap enough for governments and companies to create mass accounts.
Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by BoiledCabbage on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:41PM (#26636872)
I don't know if this comment is sarcastic and I should up vote for it giving a good laugh, or my second realization that it might be serious and I just hold my head in my hands.

I swear I'm one step away from asking for a chili recipe and someone responding 'blockchain?'. It's beyond parody at this point - I feel like I'm in some Kafkaesque reality.

Re:'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter by darkerside on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @04:21PM (#26639910)
A little bit of both in this case :)