Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by devname on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:46PM
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If bitcoin replaces the middlemen of transactions, why does Square and Jack Dorsey promote them?
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Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by Robotbeat on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:57PM
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It doesn’t. Because on-chain transactions are (or will be) too expensive and slow for most people, creating a big business opportunity for middlemen.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by gruez on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:06PM
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>creating a big business opportunity for middlemen
...or decentralized settlement networks like LN.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by suikadayo on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:56PM
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Not really decentralized when people have to rely on third party apps like Strike to open channels for them, or they have to open the channels themselves while both users are online. It’s a mess from a usability standpoint.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by alexmingoia on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @02:48AM
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Decentralized =/= middlemen. Relying on a third party isn’t centralization.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by Robotbeat on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:58PM
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...which again provides an opportunity for middlemen.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by CharlesW on Monday March 29, 2021 @04:06PM
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> ...or decentralized settlement networks like LN.
Not very, though. Lightning recentralizes the Bitcoin blockchain to improve efficiency.
"10 percent of [Lightning] nodes control 80 percent of funds on the network." — Bitcoin’s Lightning Network Is Growing 'Increasingly Centralized,' Researchers Find[1]
[1] https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-lightning-network-is-growi...
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by colineartheta on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:27PM
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Speculating here, but my observations of Dorsey/Square is that they see more long term value in being an exchange for fiat to cryptocurrency rather than (only) being a settlement house for payments. I see them acting as both exchange and clearing house (and debit and credit provider, and payroll service, and...), which, sure, Visa could too, but Square has/is building the infrastructure for those mutual use cases, and Visa is mostly playing catch-up.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by herenorthere on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:12PM
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Of course, it's the loudest voices that always get heard and are oft repeated, but I'd say most of us in the industry realize that cryptocurrency will never be a 1:1 replacement of traditional fiat currency--barring some significant breakdown of society and government. It's more of a complementary thing. Something more like internet and radio (i.e. both are still used today, one did not completely replace the other). Not the best example but you get the picture. And then there is 3rd and 2nd world countries where crypto can be used as a sort of stop gap solution until a viable form of government and banking can be situated.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by gerry_shaw on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:56PM
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Square is in the payment business. Credit cards are just one method. E.g., Square supports Interact in Canada for a flat fee of $0.10.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by X6S1x6Okd1st on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:00PM
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Bitcoin is unrelated to this news.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by system2 on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:09PM
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Bitcoin = Father of all coins.
Re:Visa moves to allow payment settlements using cryptocurrency
by ryanwhitney on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:53PM
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They make money when you buy/sell Bitcoin through their app. (Cash app)