Right, but _I_ think they're lying, and so they've lost _my_ purchases because of it.

That's the problem when you make corporate statements that are both controversial and on shaky factual ground. The shakier the factual ground the more people might decide you are not telling the truth (as they see it) and stop doing business with you.

Again, I have _zero_ problem with a company being snarky with politicians. Criticizing our electeds is the core of the first amendment and I fully support citizens right to disagree with political figures—even political figures I mostly agree with. For example, this particular tweet from @amazonnews I quite agree with: https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007.

> This is extraordinary and revealing. One of the most powerful politicians in the United States just said she’s going to break up an American company so that they can’t criticize her anymore.

I have no problem with companies being "powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets". I actually have a problem with the inverse: there should be no company that is not powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets.

You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you?

We know from internal amazon communications it's happening. It's comical for them to deny it, except for the human misery they are making by having work expectations that make it almost impossible to take bathroom breaks and meet their expectations.

The memos that say "please don't leave pee in the trucks, please don't leave poop, we can figure out who you are".

Just because something happens and there are memos about it doesn’t mean it happens because of corporate policy. I’ve worked jobs that had memos that said “please don’t pee all over the floor and seat of the bathroom” and “please don’t throw poop covered toilet paper in the trash”. In neither case was the job or corporate policy so unbearable as to not allow enough time for proper bathroom use. It just seems there are some people that don’t understand normal / acceptable human bathroom behavior.

This isn't new - Amazon workers have had to pee in bottles for years. From 2018: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-hav...

This is just the same old Amazon - they optimize everything to the point that humans can't keep pace with their metrics without cutting corners.

Well, at some point they will have managed to remove all need for unskilled labor and then everyone will be happy, right? /s

> have had to pee in bottles for years

Contractors can choose to pee where they want. But employees can sue so easily over this sort of thing. It's a specific OSHA violation.

This story depends on confusing the issue about who is and isn't a contractor, doing this to themselves.

The contractor should be let go. As the response notes, they represent the company and represent it badly.

If they’re driving an Amazon branded truck, they’re Amazon for all I care. When an ISP contractor shows up at your house and is rude, you don’t go “well, they’re a contractor, so I can’t blame Spectrum for this.” No, they have Spectrum’s branding on, so they represent Spectrum. It doesn’t matter if they’re a contractor or not.

Right, that's why they need to be terminated regardless of their specific style of employment.

I’m certain that every delivery or truck driver has peed in bottles and that most do it regularly.

It’s a giant hassle to do otherwise and peeing in a bottle ain’t that bad.

I suspect that many people just don't want to believe it, and shape their beliefs to fit their ideology.