News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by Balgair on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:02AM (#26622750)
For those that are confused as to what a 'Jefferson Bible' is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

"The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, commonly referred to as the Jefferson Bible, is one of two religious works constructed by Thomas Jefferson. The first, The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, was completed in 1804, but no copies exist today. The second, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, was completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting with a razor and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson's condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine."

https://uuhouston.org/files/The_Jefferson_Bible.pdf Free here

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by JKCalhoun on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:37AM (#26623347)
Yes, a surprisingly short read.

Reading it I couldn't help but see Jesus as something of a troll. Like in this passage:

JESUS went unto the mount of Olives.

And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

And the scribes and Pharisees brought in a woman caught committing adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

They say unto him, Master, this woman was caught committing adultery, in the very act.

Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

This they said, to test him, that they might have cause to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her.

And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

And they which heard it, began going out one by one, beginning at the eldest: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, he said unto her, Woman, whither are they gone? hath no man condemned thee?

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by loveistheanswer on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:19PM (#26624122)
Jesus was the ultimate troll to the religious authorities, that's why they killed him.

Another great example of his trolling was when he was cornered by a bunch of people wanting to stone him to death:

>31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, 'I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?' 33 We are not stoning you for any good work,' they replied, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.' 34 Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are 'gods''? (He's quoting the 82nd Psalm of the Old Testament here)[1] 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be set aside-- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37

[1]82 Psalm if the Old Testament: I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by leetrout on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:36PM (#26624406)
I brought this up in Sunday school at a baptist church and it didn't go over well...

I said we are gods on this Earth because of our power to initiate the creation of a new life and the power to end a life.

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by loveistheanswer on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:55PM (#26624714)
That's great hahaha. There are some who believe that's actually what Jesus was trying to say: the he was a son of god (there was no definite article "the" in ancient greek), and that everyone else is too (essentially what the Buddhists and Hindus claim); but that message was misunderstood, misinterpreted, censored, and modified to suit political ends.

There are a number of more esoteric quotes attributed to jesus like the one I posted above which make this case quite compelling

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by Balgair on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:53PM (#26625629)
If you have that list, I would be very interested to see it! I've never heard of this interpretation, and my ancient greek is very poor. Not trying to be snarky, or clappingback, or anything, I am actually genuinely interested.
Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by loveistheanswer on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:53PM (#26628713)
I first stumbled upon this theory in an Alan Watts lecture. Here is relevant clip from the lecture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2DbsuzTt6g

There are many quotes where Jesus spoke about the union of all people within him and within god. This is basically the same as the Buddhist concept of Indra's Net: the divine unity and mutual interpenetration of all things.

>"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"

>"I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."

>"For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ."

This idea seems to be the logical basis for many of his more commonly known teachings:

>"Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you."

>“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

>"whatsoever you do to the least of your brothers and sisters, you do unto me"

This last quote seems to indicate that when people realized all of the above, they would also realize their equality with jesus as children of god; which is essentially blasphemy to the modern day mainstream interpretation of the King James translation.

>"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by Balgair on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:28PM (#26629090)
Thank you!
Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by JKCalhoun on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:48PM (#26624607)
"... But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

Great quote.

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by datenhorst on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:32PM (#26625309)
Funnily enough, this passage is generally considered a later addition to the Gospel of John: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_a...
Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by roody15 on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:50AM (#26623637)
Why is he a troll here? Seems like a solid message.
Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by saghm on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:12PM (#26624010)
When he was asked about what to do with the woman who was brought in, he immediately started ignoring everyone and started doodling in the dirt, and then continued doing so as everyone slowly left. That's a little trollish (although not necessarily in a bad way!)
Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by AuthorizedCust on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:02PM (#26623813)
The stories have Jesus trolling the Pharisees and others. Imagining the reactions and situation behind some of these stories are strong LOL moments.
Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by JKCalhoun on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:40PM (#26624483)
Seems like the scribes and Pharisees that are trying to troll Jesus and he trolls them back?

To be clear, I think Jesus is trolling the right way. :-)