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Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by mpeg on Monday March 29, 2021 @07:38AM (#26620183)
Also, it seems they haven't caught the scammer, and he probably keeps most of his assets in crypto that can't be seized. All they'll be able to get is whatever fiat he had under his name.
Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by unishark on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:07AM (#26620384)
Apparently has been missing throughout the court cases for the last year. It was a default judgement. Kind of annoying trying to dig up that info the internet; there's a million websites out there all in line to clog up search engines with the same limited facts. They need to cluster them by content or something.

Even in the days before crypto, scammers could hide money in other ways. They need to catch him.

Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by fogihujy on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:38AM (#26620639)
I suspect they won't catch him. Building a new identity isn't really that hard, especially since the guy has had some time to do it, and (I assume) money to pay for it.
Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by JumpCrisscross on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:43AM (#26620702)
> Building a new identity isn't really that hard

No. But he will have effectively given up all his known wallets. If he touches them, he’ll have lit himself up.

Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by 55555 on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:58AM (#26620867)
Crypto is quite easy to launder in a practical sense, and he can go to Russia or China and live freely.
Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by chefkoch on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:53AM (#26620804)
Then they know he's still alive but not his new identity?

Would a "grey" crypto market refuse to trade (some) of the coins into another less traceable crypto?

Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by JumpCrisscross on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:41AM (#26621372)
> Would a "grey" crypto market refuse to trade (some) of the coins into another less traceable crypto?

No, but every wallet it touched would be flagged by AML software, making it ineligible for e.g. sale to an institution or deposit at Coinbase. That reduces its value, albeit not to zero.

Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by mpeg on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @02:43PM (#26651281)
This can't possibly be correct. You can send BTC to anyone without their consent. So you're saying that if he was to use a mixer to clean his bitcoins, the mixer would then interleave his transactions with other random ones and he would get clean crypto on a new wallet with no connection to his old one, but EVERY single transaction the mixer does with his coins would be tainted (?) so in effect it would give him his clean btc but screw the mixer's other customers

What if he also spread 100btc among random active wallets of coinbase users, would coinbase ban thousands of users? take their "tainted" crypto?

Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by swiley on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:11AM (#26620991)
It still leaves a trail that could be subpoenaed.
Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by chefkoch on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:30AM (#26621231)
How would that bother you? Could they trace you with that information? I don't know about that to be sure. If you operate a grey crypto market your already with one foot in a US jail.
Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by swiley on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:36AM (#26621316)
Is trading on IRC illegal? Everyone used to do that and I wouldn't call that "grey."

If they truly are interested in finding him it's straightforward and within their power, just a bit tedious.

Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by chefkoch on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:23AM (#26622063)
I thought there we're markets that are only accessible through vpns or on the darknet.
Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by swiley on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:23AM (#26623097)
Anything you can get to via a normal VPN isn't secret, those just help you get around local firewalls.

As for exchanges on TOR: maybe? I haven't heard of any and IRC was rough and expensive enough. Exchanging bitcoin on TOR sounds like a great way to loose all of it.

Re:Court Orders UK Man to Pay $571m for Operating Fraudulent... by fogihujy on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:11AM (#26621827)
I'd be surprised if he doesn't have enough money converted to cash already.

But sure, if he touches those wallets now, he will possibly leave a paper trail. Let's hope, for the victims' sake, that he does.