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Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by pm90 on Sunday March 28, 2021 @07:04PM (#26615660)
I won’t even pretend to know enough to be able to solve this problem. But does your social circle not include other female friends that you could discuss the optics of this situation with? Or better yet, be honest with the female friend that you wanted to advice, pointing out what she had done before and expressing your apprehension in providing critical feedback?
Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by notsuoh on Sunday March 28, 2021 @07:17PM (#26615761)
"But does your social circle not include other female friends that you could discuss the optics of this situation with?"

Respectfully, this shouldn't be on the person from whom advice is being sought, but on the asker.

"Or better yet, be honest with the female friend that you wanted to advice, pointing out what she had done before and expressing your apprehension in providing critical feedback?"

If someone asked me this, I'd probably think they used hashtags like #redpill or were into bashing Ellen Pao or something. It comes across as, "you can't say anything these days without being offensive, men in tech are soooo mistreated."

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by qPM9l3XJrF on Sunday March 28, 2021 @09:33PM (#26616788)
>If someone asked me this, I'd probably think they used hashtags like #redpill or were into bashing Ellen Pao or something. It comes across as, "you can't say anything these days without being offensive, men in tech are soooo mistreated."

Wise moderates don't even join the conversation on social media. A wise decision for an individual, but it's harmful to all of us collectively. One negative side effect is people assume that everyone is an extremist of one stripe or another.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by vmception on Sunday March 28, 2021 @07:48PM (#26616035)
the oppression olympics get nobody anywhere

the problems genders face are interrelated, invalidating all men that complain about something just because of a history specifically disenfranchising women will not help your cause

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by pm90 on Sunday March 28, 2021 @07:26PM (#26615832)
> If someone asked me this, I'd probably think they used hashtags like #redpill or were into bashing Ellen Pao or something. It comes across as, "you can't say anything these days without being offensive, men in tech are soooo mistreated."

Interesting. I hesitate to accept your interpretation as the universal one, because my experience has been that there are ways to express these concerns without coming off as a bigot. Perhaps more education, awareness or discussion is required.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by matheusmoreira on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:22AM (#26617963)
> my experience has been that there are ways to express these concerns without coming off as a bigot

Please share with us. I can't think of a single way to express these concerns without looking like a "red piller". The mere fact someone even has concerns marks them as suspicious and harmful.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by random5634 on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:30PM (#26617427)
This is a fair question - not sure why you are getting down votes.

Background - I'm actually on the left a fair bit. So one issue - you are not supposed to really ask minorities / women to explain / teach you / help you deal with these issues because it in fairness burdens them. I'm not looking for that either.

In terms of my colleague who I'd mentored in past (before things had gotten more extreme). I think others have made good suggestions - do you want some suggestions that may have already been made (it's never truth really - just another persons guess) or comfort.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by mcv on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:15AM (#26619603)
> "So one issue - you are not supposed to really ask minorities / women to explain / teach you / help you deal with these issues because it in fairness burdens them."

Well, yes and no. I can see how it's a burden, but they're also the people with the most hands-on experience. If they won't explain, how can anyone else learn?

Because it is a serious problem, and not solving it is not acceptable. Of course men, or whichever the privileged group in any particular case is, have a responsibility to listen and learn, but that only works if someone is willing to explain.

Although I'd love to agree that it's the responsibility of the oppressor or privileged group to fix the problem, it has got to be a collective responsibility. You can't help people without the involvement of the people you're trying to help.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by benlivengood on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:24AM (#26621151)
> Well, yes and no. I can see how it's a burden, but they're also the people with the most hands-on experience. If they won't explain, how can anyone else learn?

Take a sociology class at your local community college, read a book, read some blogs/articles by women, people of color, and other minorities.

There are a lot of really good ways to learn from the people who have taken the time to write/speak about the issues they face.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by pm90 on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:29AM (#26617708)
> I'm actually on the left a fair bit. So one issue - you are not supposed to really ask minorities / women to explain / teach you / help you deal with these issues because it in fairness burdens them. I'm not looking for that either.

Thank you for pointing this out. You’re absolutely right on this one, and I would retract my suggestion if HN allowed me to edit the previous comment.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by spoonjim on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:35PM (#26629151)
“Only I’m qualified to talk about my experience” vs. “It’s not my job to educate you.” Can’t have both.
Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by lgleason on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:58PM (#26617578)
I have female friends who would advise the same thing as the OC.