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Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by c5o49t5b4QN4TU5 on Sunday March 28, 2021 @04:25PM (#26614143)
I’m a white cis male, and I work as a software engineer at a Silicon Valley unicorn. My employer is a perennial darling of the HN crowd, and is likely to continue its rocket ride in the years to come.

I’ll be completely candid here: I have some kind of problem with women. This isn’t to say that I don’t like women or don’t want women to succeed. I just don’t want to associate with or be seen around women. I’m sure there’s some kind of deep reason for this, but I haven’t exactly been looking for it.

On the other hand, I’m a huge believer in the “live and let live” principle. I found a good way of reconciling these two sides of my personality. Whenever I’m thrust into a situation in which I must interact with women, I gracefully extricate myself from it.

I’m very sneaky about this too. Sometimes my departure can be performed swiftly, but other times I must maneuver over a period of days or weeks to get myself away from an unpleasant situation. I’m never overt about it, I never hurt anyone in the process, and I’m pretty confident that no one has any idea that I’m like this.

In the past I’ve had to abandon projects I was working on, and even ditched maintainership of a popular open source project because a female coworker started contributing to it. Given that I’ve been doing this for a couple of decades, I’m willing to say that I’d do more or less anything to get away from women, as long as no one gets hurt. Yes, it might take a while, and I might need to make some sacrifices, but I’ll eventually get away.

Of course this started way before Twitter mobs and cancel culture became a thing, so I can’t claim prescience. But I do permit myself a little smugness at this point in time. I think I’m pretty much cancel-proof.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by dang on Sunday March 28, 2021 @06:44PM (#26615482)
We bend in favor of comments that share personal experience, but after rereading this one several times, I think it crosses into trolling ("I’d do more or less anything to get away from women", etc.) and have banned the account.

Edit: also, please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post. We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You needn't use your real name, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26613077.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by hobs on Sunday March 28, 2021 @04:40PM (#26614293)
Your methods and conclusions make no sense - associating with women doesn't get you canceled, Kevin Spacey didn't molest any women as far as I know.

Smugness makes no sense when what it appears is you have some deep rooted psychological issues that need addressing.

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Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by dang on Sunday March 28, 2021 @06:45PM (#26615489)
I've banned this account. Laments for the absence of white-men clubs? No.

Creating accounts to post like this will eventually get your main account banned as well, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by NationalPark on Sunday March 28, 2021 @05:31PM (#26614822)
I think that statement is a little underfactualized. In the U.S., private clubs and religious groups can both legally discriminate by gender. The Civil Rights Act protections apply to public-facing businesses. And generally speaking, legal protections in the U.S. are by class, not with specifically enumerated members of a class, so the "particularly white men" notion is not really accurate when it comes to employment protections, although I imagine you were thinking about affirmative action or similar policies at universities.
Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by arp242 on Sunday March 28, 2021 @06:28PM (#26615335)
> In addition, I lament that it is iillegal for men to have their own organizations of any kind. It is not legal for men to have their own clubs or organizations in the Western world. It is illegal for men, and particularly white men, to self select and self organize. This is a factual statement.

I don't think it's "illegal"; the problem is that these kind of organisations tend to veer towards the toxic and hateful.

Incels are an excellent example of this; the entire concept was started by a woman struggling with her own involuntary celibacy and started a support forum. Good initiative. But over time things have become ... well, rather different.

A lot of the so-called "men's rights" groups have some legitimate grievances, and I have seen more than a few outspoken feminists underscore this. But having legitimate grievances doesn't excuse their terrible behaviour and attitude.

There are some decent groups for this; /r/MensLib on Reddit is pretty good. But the average is not exactly great.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by bylfdsa on Sunday March 28, 2021 @05:55PM (#26615035)
I find this view interesting, I have a close friend (not in tech) that also doesn't want to work with women.

My own view is that I have no problem working with women (though there are some women I would refuse to work with or be around in a social setting b/c of the risk). I suspect I don't mind because I've had a positive experience working in a research lab were the PI was a female, as well as one of the research assistants that I closely worked with: I did one aspect of hardware/software, she did the other.

Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by DoreenMichele on Sunday March 28, 2021 @04:39PM (#26614283)
Thank you for admitting this.
Re:Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up by eevilspock on Sunday March 28, 2021 @04:59PM (#26614502)
My knee-jerk reaction was misogyny.

Then, no, you're describing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynophobia

> Gynophobia should not be confused with misogyny, the hatred, contempt for and prejudice against women

Ok. That's sad. Best wishes.

But then, finally, your admitted smugness bothers me, as it reveals a deep lack of empathy for woman and why the culture is necessarily going through these fits and throws.

To what degree is your “live and let live” actually “live and let live or die, it's not my problem”?