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Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by paulryanrogers on Sunday March 28, 2021 @10:57AM (#26610881)
> People often choose to stop a belief because of the failings of their parents, spiritual leader, etc without thought to their direct relationship with their deity and the belief system itself.

IME and those I've read about on various ex Reddit subs is that many stop believing because the evidence is non-existent. Learning about the hypocrisy of leadership may push people out of certain organizations, but to stop believing is another thing.

Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by jollofricepeas on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:44AM (#26611267)
Choosing to believe we have enough evidence to know/state a definitive answer is belief itself, no?

Nobel-winning physicist, Roger Penrose.

Question: Do the wonders of physics and the beauty of its laws inspire belief in something that is beyond science?

Answer: ‘There is a sense in which I would say I’m an agnostic[...] But that doesn’t mean I’m an atheist. Do I believe in something outside science? Well, it’s a bit hard to know. What is science? Where are its boundaries? Is there something going on in consciousness, which is outside of science? Well, I like not to think that. It is certainly outside the science we have now. But it’s something we can explore scientifically. Whether we will have an understanding of what’s going on, which is deep enough to solve the mystery of what it is to be, I don’t know.’

Source: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-singular-mind-roger-pe...

Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by paulryanrogers on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:58AM (#26611379)
Is anyone claiming to have definitive answers?

I've stopped believing in Christianity because the things I learned about physics and sociology far better explain the evidence that I've seen. Others appear to have done the same. Whether their is some untest-able higher power is irrelevant to my life. And if it can be tested and falsified then given enough time and effort it will be proven. Yet centuries of human effort have been wasted exploring what may simply be a side effect of overzealous agent detection.

Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by bavell on Sunday March 28, 2021 @01:19PM (#26612154)
> "overzealous agent detection"

Great way to put it, definitely going to steal this one!

Our brain's pattern recognition circuits are highly developed and we like to anthropomorphize. Tens of thousands of years ago with a lack of scientific knowledge, who else but the gods could we have pointed to in order to explain the world around us?

Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by paulryanrogers on Sunday March 28, 2021 @01:34PM (#26612284)
FWIW, "agent detection" is an established concept[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_detection

Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by millipedegears on Sunday March 28, 2021 @03:00PM (#26613122)
Current scientific thinking suggests that we do not even exist - our sense that we are a conscious self that makes choices - is only an illusion.
Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by rjbwork on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:57AM (#26611375)
This is the case for me. I basically just realized I had never actually hard anything speaking back to me and had never observed anything super natural. I was basically fully deconverted by about age 16 or 17, mostly just through self examination of my subjective experiences.

I find some of these other explanations strange and quite at odds with the experience of me and the rest of my deconverted family.

Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by implements on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:04AM (#26610932)
Lack of evidence for divine Creation, lack of evidence that a particular “revealed truth” is supernatural in origin, moral teachings of a particular faith incompatible with own morals derived from lived experience, religion systematically corrupt or staffed by people of dubious character ...
Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by jollofricepeas on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:35AM (#26611199)
For those that become “religious” for social reasons it makes complete sense to leave because of dubious characters but I would argue that all social groups/organizations have dubious characters.

For those that become “religious” and see it as their personal mission and spiritual relationship, then the social part has scant importance because the hypocrisy is that of other corruptible individuals.

Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by pseudalopex on Sunday March 28, 2021 @05:30PM (#26614816)
The Bible says you can judge a tree by its fruits.
Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by paulryanrogers on Sunday March 28, 2021 @06:16PM (#26615221)
What are you trying to say?
Re:Religious fervour is migrating into politics by pseudalopex on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:10PM (#26617310)
Not all believers dismiss institutional corruption as isolated cases of universal fallibility.