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Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by Veen on Sunday March 28, 2021 @05:13AM (#26608952)
The article shows neurotypical people should have the same concerns. Interogators who think they know how to spot lying are usually wrong, regardless of whether they are interviewing neurotypical people or people on the spectrum.

I'm not on the spectrum, but I was a rebellious kid who didn't like to take shit from teachers. My defiant and sarcastic reactions to accusations were often considered evidence that I'd done wrong when I was innocent.

It's not that lie-spotting heuristics work better for neurotypical people or worse for people on the spectrum. They don't work at all for anyone. We're all in the same boat.

Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by hutzlibu on Sunday March 28, 2021 @09:56AM (#26610435)
"My defiant and sarcastic reactions to accusations were often considered evidence that I'd done wrong when I was innocent."

You were rebellious. From the point of view of a common teacher, that means you are not innocent. There is actually a old common saying, when some kid got a beaten, but it later turned out to be not guilty of that ... "well, he deserved it anyway" or "well, then the beating was in advance for something he is about to do" "or some other hidden sin", instead of a apology.

Which means self fulfilling prophecy. Punishing someome for something they didn't do - and for sure there will be reasons later on for things they will have done.

There are still way too many teachers and alike, who think a childs free spirit needs to be broken first, before they can learn something useful.

Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by simonh on Sunday March 28, 2021 @05:50PM (#26614988)
Having been through army basic training, I can confirm this is not an attitude unique to school teachers. To be fair, discipline and self control is incredibly valuable even if it’s not the be all and end all.
Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by hutzlibu on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:28AM (#26618282)
"To be fair, discipline and self control is incredibly valuable"

It is!

But you don't need to break someone, to help them learn it. Breaking people is just the cheapest method.

Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by intricatedetail on Sunday March 28, 2021 @07:05AM (#26609345)
It's more like people wanting to be done with it using any excuse. I don't think jobsworths would particularly care who did what, they wanted things to go away. They were probably paid so little it made no sense to play a detective.
Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by ImprovedSilence on Sunday March 28, 2021 @09:21AM (#26610127)
Well to be fair, even if you weren’t in the wrong at first, a sarcastic response to a teacher does put you in the wrong...
Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by cbozeman on Sunday March 28, 2021 @11:27AM (#26611144)
Well to be fair, you shouldn't accuse someone of something they aren't, or something they didn't do.

For instance, it'd be incredibly unfair for me to accuse you of being a jackass for a comment like this, when I know nothing about you... it'd also be equally unfair for me to assume you're an authoritarian... because I don't know anything about you, and therefore have no reason to make such an assumption.

Sort of like the teachers in the prior comments.

Re:How can you tell if someone is lying? by rovr138 on Sunday March 28, 2021 @09:26AM (#26610175)
For being sarcastic. You shouldn’t be punished for everything at that point.